San Mai III Steel?

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What's the consensus on this stuff?

What I know:

It's expensive.
It SOUNDS like a good idea.
It's now available in folding knives.

What I would like to know.

Is it worth the price?
Is it as good an idea as it sounds?

Thanks!
 
Not enough bang for the buck, when you consider you can get a good custom forged knife for the price of a production one using this.
 
I would tend to agree with hso, I have a Tanto in San Mai III. It's a very nice knife, but I didn't pay retail either.
Personally I wouldn't pay the retail price for it. I just don't see it being worth it.

jojo
 
So really nothing negative other than price?

I've gotten bitten by the cold steel black sable. I realize it's expensive, but I found a place that stocks it for about $250 shipped.

You guys are talking about custom knives--could I get a good folder with similar features for that price? I must admit I haven't done much research in the custom knife market...
 
$229.00 at Wholesale Hunter.

I think there are better, more utilitarian "fighting" folders than the Black Sable for up to $100 less than even the internet price.

From what I can see never having held one, my dings of the BS are:

The whole piece looks like it would be too slippery in the hand for my tastes.

Too much mirror polishing=easy scratching and a need for babying if it will be an EDC.

Its a lockback, my second favorite locking system as long as it is not on a tactical knife. Lockbacks are more diifcult to swing open to a positive snick because the locking bar creates a lot of friction on the blade unless it is really broken in or loose from the get go. Lockbacks can also be compressed into failure easier than some other designs.

The thumb studs are pretty to look at but appear to be too small to really be effective during an adrenaline dump. Thy look like they are stepped from the blade surface into some small thumb surface which affords less purchase for grip in exchange for not looking plain.

The blade is so curved as to be a total pain to sharpen compared with a more convential blade design.

Laminated blade. I have nothing against laminated steel. That said, sometimes lamination is used to get the best out of a mix of good steels and sometimes it is used to hype a sandwhich of ordinary steels, or worse, a middling steel encased in some other steel no one would pay much for were it the only steel. It is always difficult to tell with Cold Steel which reason they are using laminates for since they are usually evasive (through omission or proprietary naming like "Carbon V") to figure out which approach they are taking. One would hope that "San Mai III" is something special at that price, but I have my doubts.

So, if it is intended to be oooohhhed and aaaahed over, that is one thing. As an EDC it seems to have some serious shortcomings.
 
My issue with Cold Steel is that their advertising is a ghastly joke. It's just comically wannabe tacticool, and sounds like something you'd hear on paid advertising at 4:07 AM on a Sunday, or at a gunshow where Cletus the slackjawed yokel is trying to sell some cityslicker his Buck folder for $200.

That said, Cold Steel's products are generally not bad, and sometimes not even poorly priced. I just dislike it when someone is trying to sell me something pedestrian as the latest-greatest, and not even being very skilled about it.

Mike
 
Thanks for the feedback guys, I appreciate the input.

Ok, I'll admit that there's a coolness factor at work here. But I do have a few objective reasons for liking the knife.

One concern that I've started wondering about. The inner steel of the laminate is supposed to be high-carbon--I suppose that means no rust resistance at all?

I agree that CS advertising is a bit lame--I also concur on the polishing making it show scratches easily. But I don't mind honest wear on my tools. ;)
 
usually when a steel is referred to as "high carbon" it is not stainless.

the terms high carbon and stainless are a bit misleading because blade grade stainless steels are classified as high carbon (the carbon is the main ingredient that hardens the blade) and "stainless" steels can indeed stain.

there are non-stainless steels with various levels of stain performance. a steel needs to have about 14% chromium in it to be classified stainless...but any amount of chromium will aid in stain resistance. for example A2 has 5% chromium, D2 has 12% chromium...both are called high carbon but will be a bit more resistant than say 1095 that has no chromium (i might be a bit off on the percentages...chime in if i am)

if in doubt ask the maker.
 
I carry a 5" voyager by CS and it will do all you want and doesn't cost near that much. Mine is several years old has cut mud flaps off my 18 wheeler dug small holes and backed off BG in NJ at 3 in morning. Could wrist snap from day one and has never loosened up nor has lock ever failed.I trust in every way.
 
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