Savage 110 or Remington 700?

[d2wing]

I don't understand all the Remington haters, or is it just a few that constantly post. They probably work for Savage but won't admit it. I notice the top shooters at Camp Perry shot either custom actions or Remington in bolt action. I have not seen a reputable gun test that rates Savage better than Remington.

 

[Gtscotty]

Hmmm... Lots of previous "name brand" BS on this thread... honestly NOT HIGH ROAD.

My suggestion is simple. Pick your price range and handle examples of both rifles within your budget. Then, make your own decision about which one feels better to YOU. There are a lot of opinions, and we all know the saying about opinions...

Bingo! Everybody can tell you their preference and regale you with stories of other inferior brands until kingdom come, but truthfully, probably either would server your purpose. You should just go lay hands on them and take home whichever fits better.

BTW, there are other brands in that price category besides Savage and Big Green, if you're not in a hurry, it might be worth your time to check out some Howas or vanguards.

Stsimons, you're handle isn't related to the chill little island on the GA coast is it?

 

[fireside44]

I don't understand all the Remington haters, or is it just a few that constantly post.

Don't confuse hate with those that value value for the money. For years Remington offered less rifel for the money. It is still more or less that way.

Edit: And for the record I have a Remington 700 that I wish was a Savage.

 

[dc.fireman]

I own three Savages: two Model 12's, and a Mk. II in .22LR. All three have served me well, right out of the box. I have never owned a Remington, but only because I've never had the opportunity, not for any other reason.

That being said - my brother had a problem with his Savage - a Model 10 in .243. It was getting blisteringly hot, after firing four rounds, and the groups were minute of barn at best. Initially, when he called their technical support to request some assistance, he spoke with a very friendly person on the other end of the line. His suggestion was to ship it back to them, and they'd take a look at it. The person definitely agreed - something was not quite right.

Fast forward to 2 weeks ago. The rifle shows back up (it was gone for 2 weeks), with a note in the box indicating they couldn't find anything wrong. When he called Savage, and asked to speak to the technician, they balked at the idea and said it's not customary for them to do that. When he pressed on, they then said they didn't have the ability to transfer the call to the shop area. When he asked for a direct phone number, they declined. Same thing with an email contact. When he finally did blow a gasket with the customer service rep., the gentleman said "what do you expect it to do? It's not a bull barrel..."

He was furious to say the least, and called me up to say he had bought his one & only Savage.

A few days ago, he took the rifle back out to his range. Using the remaining rounds of ammunition from the same factory Remington Core Lokt box, he began to re-sight the rifle in. 10 rounds went down the pipe, with nary a hitch. By the time he tried his second box, he was posting 1" groups, at 100 yards.

Neither he nor I can figure out what the hell it was that was causing the problem, but it has obviously been remedied. Whether it was something Savage fixed, and didn't want to say, or whether it just 'worked itself out', the end result is it's fixed.

His customer service interaction the second time around though, leaves much to be desired. I kept thinking to myself all along, that surely Savage must have some sort of intermediary warranty company doing customer service work for them - but this appears not to be the case, as he dialed the same phone number from the company website, and from the packing invoice both times.

I love my Savages - but I have to remind myself, that not every company out there can be like Dillon Precision, and RCBS. It's a shame. YMMV.

 

[slowr1der]

Now accutriger some people like it, but I don't if you set it to its lowest setting it never fires, because it locks up while you squeezing its safety blade or it slamfires on close.

This is not true, as everyone I've seen has worked just fine on it's lowest setting.

This being said, I've read some of your other posts, and I'm not going to argue with you as it's obvious you have no idea what you are talking about when it comes to Savage rifles, and just want to spread misinformation.

 

[DIM]

slowr1der, come back when you learn something, but for now you discredited yourself. Knowledge is powerful thing, but seeding disinformation is not what my purpose here, but yours.

http://www.longrangehunting.com/forums/f19/anyone-else-have-problems-savage-accutrigger-49186/

http://www.longrangehunting.com/forums/f37/savage-accu-trigger-problem-58272/

http://www.mdshooters.com/showthread.php?t=33468

http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1376872

http://www.predatormastersforums.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1461652

http://www.snipercentral.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=33418

 

[fireside44]

slowr1der, come back when you learn something, but for now you discredited yourself.

I dunno, that first link basically sounds like a bunch of dudes who don't know how to squeeze a trigger. I wouldn't really call it evidence, except of poor rifel skills.

The second link the OP had the trigger adjusted by someone of unknown qualifications in terms of gunsmithing so bets are off there.

The third link appears to be another dude who can't squeeze a trigger cleanly.

The fourth link a responder offers a quick and simple solution to the problem.

The fifth and sixth links you posted are just more or less repeats of earlier complaints. I had a friend who had the same problem with a 110 300 win mag. Once he learned how to properly squeeze a trigger the problem went away.

 

[Freedom_fighter_in_IL]

DIM, Every single one of your "examples" can be shown to be OPERATOR error! If you do not know how to engage a trigger, you do not need to be setting it on the lightest settings period! If you have an improper trigger squeeze, I.E. sideways, then you do not need to be shooting one set on 2.5 pound setting. The lightest setting is for target type shooting and NOT hunting. This is noted in EVERY users manual. It is actually a SAFETY feature. Please, before you ridicule, learn a bit. Thank you and have a nice day.

I don't understand all the Remington haters, or is it just a few that constantly post. They probably work for Savage but won't admit it. I notice the top shooters at Camp Perry shot either custom actions or Remington in bolt action. I have not seen a reputable gun test that rates Savage better than Remington.

d2wing, I do not work for nor am I under any endorsement contract from Savage. I just own them as well as many other brands of firearms. I have shot, owned, and sold more firearms than many posters on here have ever held in their hands. When someone here asks for an honest opinion, I give it freely and with no hold barred. If Remington would step up to the plate as they did in years past, I would gladly give them the marks deserved. Until they do, I will continue to give a HONEST opinion of their poor quality and shoddy workmanship.

 

[DIM]

that's very good trigger when you ready to take long shot and the whole thing locks up, I played with it while pulling it straight, it engages sear before real trigger can be pulled, h yeah here's another review by Dr. Jim Clary who stated "The Target AccuTriggerTM has one irritating quirk. If you “slam” the bolt forward when chambering a round, it occasionally locks up the trigger. I am not sure whether this is a failsafe built into the AccuTriggerTM to prevent accidental firing, or whether it is a flaw in the design. However, if it happens, all you have to do is lift the bolt up and lower it down (without any rearward motion) and the trigger resets." http://www.chuckhawks.com/savage_M12-Fclass.htm

another review on accurateshooter same issue http://forum.accurateshooter.com/index.php?topic=3752665.0

 

[DIM]

Dr. Jim Clary, forgot to mention that it doesn't always works on its lowest setting 6-OZ on my rifle it had 85% failures so I had to increase my trigger pull on that Savage target Accutriger by 1.5 turn, only then it stopped locking-up, but that's actually fire blocked by safety.
here's that Savage I'm talking about minus barrel, I had to replace it because of faulty barrel-chamber.

here's 5 shot group from CBI barrel I installed myself

 

[LoonWulf]

I have zero experience with the target accutriggers, on my hunting rifle ive had NO issue with the standard accutrigger. 6oz is pretty light, so i could see an issue if the return spring for the ......lever thing in the middle of the trigger....was too heavy.
Also tho, no factory 700 trigger ive seen could safely be set at 6oz.

 

[Skylerbone]

Begging your pardon DIM but why on earth would you be "slamming" the bolt forward? Also, if you spent the money on a varmint rifle and a custom barrel for target work why did you choose what looks to be Weaver rings (the new "Tactical" will I ever stop lapping them variety) and a $100 Vortex Crossfire?

If you had accuracy issues with that set-up I would suspect the top end long before the rifle. It's not hard to wring out a bit more accuracy with a custom barrel over a factory one but I don't know that it's money well spent in an unbalanced combo.

To the subject of Remington or Savage, there are bound to be happy and unhappy customers of each. I like my 700 (1990 in 30-06 Springfield), I like my Winchesters and Marlins too. The latest model Savage I've fired is a now ~ 4 month old 116 in .300 Win. Mag. and I could not believe the accuracy. 1 1/4" repeatable groups...at 200 yds. with a 3-10x and factory Winchesters. Every bit the equal or better than anything I've shot in a box stock hunting rifle. The AccuTrigger? OK, but not at its best when adjusted to the lower limit but an very good effort. Still, I don't recall reading anyone asking what the OP's intended purpose is.

For a stab in the dark new purchase I think I'd choose Savage over most everything in the lower price range, Tikka if the budget expanded a bit more.

 

[DIM]

you right this setup is cheap Weaver tactical rings and Weaver tactical 20 MOA rail, which I bedded to closely fit this action. I guess money became an issue when I had to choose new scope for this rifle, since I was anticipating 260 Rem and I bought whole setup for it like dies, brass, bullets, neck turning pilots and powder, then Savage switched calibers to 6 BR which took good chunk from what I was saving for a new scope, plus I had to buy new barrel because the one I got on 6BR was also defective, the Vortex Crossfire was another mistake I made after reading reviews on it, but after I send it back for warranty repairs it seems to hold true, at first I wanted refund or exchange for Viper, but Opticsplanet refused it, because I told them I mounted this scope on my rifle, it had issue with parallax adjustments, but with 8-32x50 and fine wide v-plex its nice scope for 200 bucks, I used it after sunset and had no problem keeping .3 MOA at 500 yards so light transition is not an issue, I've seen guys with 3K scopes do much worse.

Here's the LRP in 260 I tested using different scope, then send this rifle for repairs because of the fliers it was giving me, 2 months later I got LRPV in 6 BR.... Yeah LRPV doesn't come with laminate stock, it should have HS Precision!
Maybe this would explain lack of love for Savage, I have my reasons not to like them...

 

[DoubleMag]

Savage 110 or Remington 700?
Found a package deal today putting both of these rifles at the exact same price including some kind of cheap scope (Simmons or Bushnell, I believe). Looking at them in .270 or 30-06. Which of these two would provide the best out of the box accuracy? Which would be lighter? The Savage does have the accu-trigger.

package deal = new = SAVAGE

Accu-Trigger

If you don't mind, how much $$ at the store on each setup?

older gun, I'd consider a Rem


oh and in those 2 common calibers I'd edge towards the 270 a bit more versatile for smaller stuff "IMHO" my $$.02...