CoalCrackerAl
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I think it's cool. That a design from the early 1900's. Is still popular. I wish Savage well on their new adventure.
Savage now in the 1911 market
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Riomouse911
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I think they look pretty good, but the proof is on the range. Multiple-bullet style reliability and genuine accuracy reports from real-world shooters will let us know if this gun is worth the MSRP or not.
But, with three .45 1911’s already I doubt I’ll be buying one anytime soon.
Stay safe.
But, with three .45 1911’s already I doubt I’ll be buying one anytime soon.
Stay safe.
Rittmeister
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I like it (for what that's worth). The rail option is nice, as is the 9mm chambering in addition to 45ACP.
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W.E.G.
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One would think.
lysanderxiii
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Mark_Mark
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that’s a Cool Gun! was that stripper feed?
Madcap_Magician
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They have non-railed options. The slide cuts are distinctive, though, and clearly those are going to be a matter of taste.I don't like the billboard, but it it is also not the worst billboard I've ever seen.
Are there 1911s below this price point with machined tool steel ignition parts? Colt, SA, and Kimber are MIM. If they come in retail around $1,200, the railed version looks like an SA Emissary competitor with better base quality parts.
All of this of course depends on the execution...
1KPerDay
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Dan Wesson used to offer their base model for about $1100 with tool steel Ed Brown guts. Ostensibly. Not sure what they actually sell for now.
Madcap_Magician
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The Heritage isn't in production anymore, cheapest Dan Wesson MSRP right now is $1,669 on the Guardian. You can find used Heritages for $1,300-$1,500 on Gunbroker, though.
JTQ
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Yeah, there is a lot of "Dan Wesson's are so much better than Brand X" posts all over the gun forums. I'm sure they are, but they cost $500 - $800 more than most of the guns they are comparing.
Jim Watson
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The leading comment seems to be:
"HORRORS, THE SAVAGE FRONT STRAP ISN'T CHECKERED!"
I don't know how the factories checker mass produced guns or how much it adds to the cost and price, but it apparently would make sense for Savage to add it.
I was going to ask if the old Military Match "milled frontstrap" would be adequate if it could be done inexpensively.
But then I recalled the wave of disdain and disgust one new gun with less than full coverage checkering got, and I recalled that Wilson had a small patch checkering option but only for a short while. So the answer is "probably not." Maybe they could come up with a texturing pattern to compliment their zoomy slide contour, done quickly on CNC or laser.
"HORRORS, THE SAVAGE FRONT STRAP ISN'T CHECKERED!"
I don't know how the factories checker mass produced guns or how much it adds to the cost and price, but it apparently would make sense for Savage to add it.
I was going to ask if the old Military Match "milled frontstrap" would be adequate if it could be done inexpensively.
But then I recalled the wave of disdain and disgust one new gun with less than full coverage checkering got, and I recalled that Wilson had a small patch checkering option but only for a short while. So the answer is "probably not." Maybe they could come up with a texturing pattern to compliment their zoomy slide contour, done quickly on CNC or laser.
clutch
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What is the dual recoil spring I read mentioned elsewhere, just a spring over a spring or something different?
Madcap_Magician
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Inflation hit guns hard and Dan Wesson a little harder than most, I think. Dan Wessons still occupy that space between the Colt, Kimber, Springfield Armory lines at $950-$1,200 and the Wilson Combat, Ed Brown, Nighthawk lines in the $3,000-$5,000 range. They have much tighter tolerances and higher quality base parts than the mass production 1911 makers and much lower prices than the semi-custom shops.
To me that's a good spot for them and a little competition in that range would also be an overall good thing. I kinda doubt Savage is going to be that competition, they just don't have the handgun experience or the experience with such tight manufacturing tolerances, but I can applaud them for giving it the old college try.
JTQ
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I'm not really complaining about the cost of Dan Wesson's, rather that they are normally compared to Colt, Kimber, Springfield Armory, and folks will say they are better. Sure, they are, they cost a bunch more.
They do. My point being, nobody ever blindly compares a Dan Wesson to a Wilson or Ed Brown, because somebody will surely say "well, you know, an Ed Brown costs a lot more than a Dan Wesson." Yes they do, just like Dan Wesson's cost a lot more than the guns they are normally compared with.
sparkyfender
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Looks okay, I wouldn't mind giving one a spin.
I'd just as soon see another 1911 on the scene as another striker fired poly gun, but am glad there are so many good choices today in all flavors. Well, maybe there is a dearth of new metal frame guns in DA/SA, but I digress.
I'd just as soon see another 1911 on the scene as another striker fired poly gun, but am glad there are so many good choices today in all flavors. Well, maybe there is a dearth of new metal frame guns in DA/SA, but I digress.
Jim Watson
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Sidebar: A startup company is showing the Oracle 2311 with 1911 lockwork around a Sig P320 magazine.
Coyote3855
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I had one. IIRC, it has a heel magazine release.
Coyote3855
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I don't know, but the waiting list for the SA 35 is months long.
Not that I have handled a large number of them, but I haven't come across a Savage rifle that wasn't a good shooter yet. They aren't always the best looking but they seem to be made right with the right tolerances where they matter. I kind of like the looks of this new 1911, but I am not in the market for anything right now and definitely not in that price range.
Their rifles have earned a reputation of being "very good for the money", and this pistol might be as well but I think their customer base would have been more likely to jump in if they could have offered something under $1000.
Their rifles have earned a reputation of being "very good for the money", and this pistol might be as well but I think their customer base would have been more likely to jump in if they could have offered something under $1000.
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I too have had good luck with Savage products in the past. Part of the appeal was the price points that Savage had. I don't see this with this pistol. The market for 1911s has a multitude of options out there and there are many reputable manufacturers out there marketing sub $1000 guns. At a MSRP of $1350 for the Stainless model, it would appear they are looking at a smaller niche in the market than most of the others. I wish them luck and am curious as to how they will shoot.
Jim Watson
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Savage may be a step behind with yet another 1911 mutant.
Considering that the DWX is finally out, a small or startup outfit is offering the Oracle double stack, and EAA is bringing in a Girsan that appears a pretty sincere copy of a 2011, maybe Savage should have gotten on the newer bandwagon.
Considering that the DWX is finally out, a small or startup outfit is offering the Oracle double stack, and EAA is bringing in a Girsan that appears a pretty sincere copy of a 2011, maybe Savage should have gotten on the newer bandwagon.
W.E.G.
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That will pass.
Expect Taylor and Tisas to finish-up satisfying the affordable-1911 market, then they'll start with the P-35 ("Browning Hi-Power") clones. Mark my words.
Tisas already produced a run of BHP clones.
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/963185888
The BHP clone first run at Tisas had some issues that you can bet they are re-working for the next push.
OP tears it apart and measures everything.
https://www.1911forum.com/threads/c...as-regent-br9-hp-hi-power-part-1-of-3.952658/
Review of the Springfield model - less exhaustive - but positive.
The shortage suggests Springfield wasn't fully committed to the project.
Which I speculate is a function of Springfield monkey-testing a new product on the buyers. And nothing wrong with that if nothing is wrong with the product.
https://survivalblog.com/2022/07/04/springfield-armory-sa-35-pistol-pat-cascio/
