Savage now in the 1911 market

[Archie]

I have a good feeling about Savage as a manufacturer and tradition of quality. Of course I am aware and horrified at the loss of talented and motivated workers in general. That's another rant we'll table for the nonce.
I have not handled or even seen the Government Model clone Savage makes. I did just look at the web site and viewed the advertising photos and advertising blurb. Looks like what one essentially did to a Government Model - after buying it - to make it a bit more user friendly.

About the Savage 1907 and 1917 .32 ACP pistols. I have several (part of the collection). They hold ten rounds in the magazine; double stack. The magazine retainer-release is at the bottom of the grip, but instead of being at the heel, it is at the front of the grip and one (at least theoretically) uses the 'pinky' finger to depress the release. The trigger system is a bit complicated, but it works well. Probably plays bad for manufacturing costs, but it works. Grip shape is very ordinary, but functions well for my hands.
There was also a .380 ACP version.

 

[MAKster]

I still haven't seen any actual proof that Springfield is manufacturing the Hi-Powers and not just doing final assembly. The fact that they are having so much trouble delivering them to stores leads me to suspect they just being assembled from imported parts.

 

[Coyote3855]

That will pass.

Expect Taylor and Tisas to finish-up satisfying the affordable-1911 market, then they'll start with the P-35 ("Browning Hi-Power") clones. Mark my words.

Tisas already produced a run of BHP clones.
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/963185888

The BHP clone first run at Tisas had some issues that you can bet they are re-working for the next push.
OP tears it apart and measures everything.
https://www.1911forum.com/threads/c...as-regent-br9-hp-hi-power-part-1-of-3.952658/

Review of the Springfield model - less exhaustive - but positive.
The shortage suggests Springfield wasn't fully committed to the project.
Which I speculate is a function of Springfield monkey-testing a new product on the buyers. And nothing wrong with that if nothing is wrong with the product.
https://survivalblog.com/2022/07/04/springfield-armory-sa-35-pistol-pat-cascio/

I'm very impressed with the Charles Daly/Brixia 1911A1 basic model. If they bring out a High Power clone, I'd be interested.

I have an early SA 35 that has been flawless but I'm just a monkey tester.

So you think there will be a continuing market for High Power knockoffs?

 

[Jim Watson]

They hold ten rounds in the magazine; double stack.

So they should have brought out a double stack to keep up with Springfield, EAA/Tisas, and "Oracle" high capacity 1911-2011-2311 types.

 

[Rule3]

Why do people get there undies in a bunch over the MSRP of a recently introduced price??

 

[W.E.G.]

I'm very impressed with the Charles Daly/Brixia 1911A1 basic model. If they bring out a High Power clone, I'd be interested.

I have an early SA 35 that has been flawless but I'm just a monkey tester.

So you think there will be a continuing market for High Power knockoffs?

At the right price-point, and satisfactory quality, count on it.

EVERYONE wants a P-35.

Everyone who already has one wants another one if they can get it at the right price. I had a very nice FEG copy. Only thing I couldn't stand about was the crude barrel/slide bushing. I sold it because I didn't want to spend $$$ to remedy something that was only cosmetic. Makes me wonder why FEG hasn't jumped into the game again.

Gunbroker has one like I had starting at $450.
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/963488405
I don't recall for sure, but I think I paid $300 new about 10 years ago.

Here's the ugly muzzle on the FEG.
Maybe there were some original P-35's that looked like that.
Finish on the one I had was beautiful deep blue. And that ugly muzzle. I had to let it go.

 

[Archie]

So they should have brought out a double stack to keep up with Springfield, EAA/Tisas, and "Oracle" high capacity 1911-2011-2311 types.

That presumes Savage is vying for the "shoot a lot" market.

 

[Jim Watson]

All they are vying for is a piece of the "sell a lot" market.

 

[InTheSwamp]

Wish them good luck. I just hope they keep the mag catch in the same spot, everytime.

 

[tarosean]

Here's the ugly muzzle on the FEG.
Maybe there were some original P-35's that looked like that.
Finish on the one I had was beautiful deep blue. And that ugly muzzle. I had to let it go.

Thisw ould concern me more.

 

[deadeye dick]

Competition in the 1911 market is tough right now.

Tisa's (Turkish) and Taylor's (Phillipines/ARMSCOR) are selling some really nice 1911's - and in a wide variety of configurations for well below $500 right now.

Several models with all the bells and whistles for "modern carry" configuration.
No "National Match" models (yet).

I picked up the Taylor "1911-A1" model in 45 ACP (parkerized) and the Tisas "Tank Commander" in 9mm (Cerakote) recently for $300 and $420 respectively. Not a lot of rounds through either so far. No malfunctions, and good accuracy, in a small range test last weekend.

In the past, I've had real bad luck with 1911's hitting me in the head with spent brass. The Tank Commander 9mm was awful with Remington 115-grain. Almost every case hit me right in the forehead. But it behaved with my 124-grain handload and a factory 124-grain load. It almost hit me - almost - with steel case 9mm Wolf 115-grain. I only had a mild 200-grain handload available for the 45. None of those 45 ACP cases landed anywhere near my head.

So that's the primary thing I use to judge a 1911:
Does it hit me in the head with brass?

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From what i hear the ejector can be tuned to eject properly, by a gunsmith. If tf thats the only problem i would consider that.
Also ,where is it made? As far as to tone that's not a game changer as there are many out there.I have a SA Ronin to tone

 

[SwampWolf]

Another new "tactical" 1911, though, gets me in about the same way as another new striker-fired polymer 9 mm, which is to say "not at all".

To which I would say, the more the merrier. Whether I'm bored or enthused with any new entrants to the gun market is of little matter; I think more choices are better than less and that a broad spectrum of options helps keep the pro-gun industry and their pro-Second Amendment recipients healthy.

Best wishes, Savage!

 

[wild willy]

Time will tell.Hope it lasts longer than their ARs did.

 

[jski]

Before you sing the praises of Colt 1911s, remember, they were the ones that brought us the Marine M45A1 CF. The final nail in the “1911 for military use” coffin.

 

[lysanderxiii]

I had one. IIRC, it has a heel magazine release.

Technically, not a heel release, but a toe release.

The Savage Models 1907, 1915 and 1917, available in .32 ACP and .380 had double column staggered magazines with the magazine released placed at the bottom of the front strap.