Savage or CZ

[del4]

I was at the gunshop the other day looking at the CZ (550?). It was a varmint rifle type set up. It had a very heavy barrel in .308, a synthetic stock and a set trigger. A while back, I was also looking at a simular set up by Savage. Savage, of course, has the accu-trigger.

My question is simply, which is more accurate? This will only be a range gun to further my reloading hobby.

 

[JustsayMo]

My CZ's are the most accurate guns I own. The quality is apparent when compared to most other rifles. I don't think you can go wrong with a CZ.

I can't comment on the Savage other than to say they didn't impress me enough to buy them even though they were very inexpensive. I hear they are quite accurate though.

Just my $.02

 

[sumpnz]

I love my 550. Especially since it's a Mauser style action, rather than the push-feed of the Savage. However, that is purely personal preferance. It makes little difference what type of bolt action you have for all but the most extreme dangerous game hunting scenarios one is likely to encounter.

I've only shot a couple Savage rifles. One was, how shall I say, disappointing. The other was very nice, though it had been tricked out.

 

[Cueball]

Well I have both CZ's and Savages in bolt action now. All I can say is that you won't go wrong with either one of them. I love both of mine and would never sell them. They are both VERY accurate rifles and I would say go with the one that has the best feel to you in your hands. I believe you will be quite satisfied either way you go.

 

[Strongbad]

Another member of this board "Waffen" just bought the gun you're talking about, only chambered in 22-250. We've both shot the hell out of that thing since he got it, and it really is a great firearm. It's very accurate, albeit his is a little picky about loads. Also, the set trigger is awesome especially on a heavy bench gun like that. As a matter of fact, I'm going down to Cabela's to pick one up just like it next week. Time for a duel!

 

[GunGoBoom]

You have asked the correct question. You can't go wrong. If you're a *realllllly* good shooter (unlike me), or aspire to become one, then the set trigger of the CZ has the *potential* to enhance accuracy further than the accu-trigger of the Savage.

 

[MJ]

 

[swingset]

That's a nice No4T, but I would imagine he's not asking about a WWII sniper rifle that hasn't been in production in 60 years.

It wasn't even a Savage, if you want to be techincal about it...they were just contract rifles for the Brits.

He's talking about current rifles, as in the Savage 10 vs. the CZ 550.

Did you add the scope to the No4T? Savage T's were never scoped, at least not by the Brits, which is why I ask who did the mount.

 

[Waffen]

I have the CZ550 Varmint in 22-250. It's the one with the green laminate stock. Overall the gun is very sweet. The action is a little rougher than I would like, but then again it's my first control feed action. CZ's set trigger is the greatest thing ever. You can set them to be extremly light.

Accuracy has been pretty solid. The best 5 shot group I have shot so far can easily be covered by a nickle and is about the size of a dime. 3 shot groups have been extremly tight, but with such a small round it's cheating to count them. I have had trouble working up a load that works the way I want it to, but I think thats just me. I am willing to bet the same gun in .308 would be pretty cool.

The fit and finish of the gun is very good. It takes a while to get use to the extremly wide palm-swell on the stock, after a while anything else feels like a toy gun.

Overall after owning this gun for a few months I am glad I went with the CZ over the Savage. It's nice to show up at the range with something nobody has, and something most have never seen.

 

[MJ]

New savage old Savage

Oops wrong pic.

That is an original 42' Savage T, not going to argue the facts with anyone swingset, take it or leave it. I have two of them and am working on importing another.

My Savage 110 is a no hassel fun range day. When I get tired of tinkering with the older guns and just want a relaxing shooting day I pull out the 110 and a box of 50 168g Sierra MK's.

MJ

 

[GunGoBoom]

Holy cow, MJ, that is some nice shooting from a milsurp! ...I'm not worthy...

 

[Tropical Z]

I'd say the Savage.

 

[jefnvk]

I'm hooked on CZ's, but you can't go wrong with either.

 

[steve4102]

I have a CZ 550 American in 9.3x62. I really like the feel and the way it shoots.

 

[JShirley]

WOW. How's recoil?

John

 

[steve4102]

WOW. How's recoil?

Not bad. It is a little hard for me to explain but I will try. The recoil is more of a push-shove than a had snap. I find it easier on the "shoulder" than the 7MM Mag A-Bolt, but, one must be carefull with eye relief so as not to get "Scope-Eye". The recoil is much less than the 375HH Ruger #1 and more than my 06. I have found that this CZ will shoot just about any load I feed it very well.

 

[Berek]

Hmmmm.... CZ vs. Savage. I have to admit, I love my Savage, but the drawback is that I cannot get one with a heavy barrel. Because of how light the stock is and the amount of recoil that the .300WSM has, I would love to have a heavy barrel. So, here's my honest opinion: I dunno.

If you're looking for serious accuracy with almost immediate recover and a lower recoil with a light synth stock, I would say the CZ *if* it has the heavy barrel. But, if you want more bang for your buck (pun intended) Savage is the way to go. I have 2 Savage rifles and pound for pound, $ for $, I love my Savage rifles. They are extremely accurate, reasonably priced and fun to shoot.

So, there's my waffle. Where's the syrup?

Berek

 

[swingset]

originally posted by MJ:
That is an original 42' Savage T, not going to argue the facts with anyone swingset, take it or leave it. I have two of them and am working on importing another.

I'm not looking to argue...I was just curious about the origins of your gun. I have no doubt it's a Savage T, there were plenty of them....but very few were ever scoped and none were built to completion by the Brits. I've seen scoped Savage snipers, but they were usually built up by the Israelis using No32 scopes, lyman alaskans or on rare occasion a Nimrod. And, there were some done up by the Indian army & the Pakis using either No32's or knock-off 32's.

All are authentic and treasured pieces of history, but should not be considered WWII british snipers in the same regards as a BSA/Shirley that was completed by Fultons. They are a different animal, but still rare and unique.

 

[MJ]

The world is full of experts and they wear me out.



I have been told I built these so many times I don't reply to the question now.

Thanks again for the Madsen.





:banghead: MJ :banghead:

 

[swingset]

The world is full of experts and they wear me out.

I have been told I built these so many times I don't reply to the question now.

Thanks again for the Madsen.

Why not be a jerk about it? That's what "The High Road" is all about, no?

Where did I say you built up your Savage? I asked if you scoped it up, because that's a frequent occurance with Savage T's....and if you know a drop about them that should not surprise nor offend you. I was interested in your gun's origins, because (as the owner of 2 Savage and 3 Brit T's), I am curious how yours came to be based on my knowledge and years of experience collecting and studying Lee Enfields and their history. I haven't seen any WWII era Savage T's that were built to completion, but I've seen many that were done by the punjabs, the Israelis or here by collectors.

If yours is authentically a Brit worked and scoped Savage, by all means tell me about it instead of being defensive and pugilistic. If I'm wrong about their origins, I'd like to know that real examples exist and a little about how they came to be.

You're welcome on the Madsen.

 

[MJ]

Your taking my responce all wrong and

I don't have time at the moment or want to post a history of all my Enfields, but I will say if it wasn't from all my friends here and the UK and down under I would not have any Enfields. I'm a shooter not a fact collector, if it shot well a pink #4T in 6.5 Swedish would be just as at home with me as My L42 I made up from an 03' Springfield.

Sorry you took it wrong, this board cuts out a lot of print at times or it could be the phone line and the rain. So only a part of what I typed in answer got posted.

I won't post any more upsetting photos of Enfields. Besides the page will only reprint the same picture over and over nomatter what I try to post.




Again sorry you took it wrong. But now that I have been judged out of hand as not worthy of the High Road so I will leave. You have my email and could have asked me privatly and gotten a detailed answer. You seemed to be a noce guy at one time. Thank's for the warm welcome.

Cheers
MJ