Saw stop( gun related.)

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I've been doing some thinking latly about all the "micro stamping" and "bullet serailization" going in the past year or 2...I just can't help draw comparsons to the Saw stop.

The Saw stop was a good idea in theroy, but didn't work very well/ at all in pratical terms. So no one bought it. Whats the owner of the company to do?

close shop? Nope, lets get a law pasted to mandate it.

Seems to be the same thing with the latest round of "feel good" laws. The inventors could not make profit in a free market so they want to mandate a market for thier products.

We need to stop this kind of BS, its not about preventing crime or even getting rid of guns. Its about greed.
 
I'm not sure I agree with your premise - the Saw Stop works as advertised and has been selling pretty well.
 
I'm not sure I agree with your premise - the Saw Stop works as advertised and has been selling pretty well.
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Do you know anyone that owns one?

I did, they all got rid of them fast. Both professional wood workers and DIYers. Not only were the saws crap to start out with, the time it takes to stop the blade is more then enough to do real damage( watch the video) Also every time the saw stops, it cost you around $90 for a ne circuit board.

They never really sold in large numbers.

For you guys that don't know what the saw stop is. http://www.sawstop.com/
It was a device that stop the blade on a table saw should your fingers get in the blade... after it failed in sales the owners of the company tried to get congress to mandate on ever saw sold.
 
I know people who have them and like them. Most of the reviews I have read have been very positive about the quality of the saws.

Of course they don't make the tablesaw a perfectly safe tool, but it's safer than alternative (unless you adhere to the school of thought which says the SawStop saws encourage reckless behavior).

Also, you don't have to replace a circuit board, you have to replace the aluminum brake that physically stops the blade.

I do agree that attempting to mandate the technology is pretty stupid.
 
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....."Also, you don't have to replace a circuit board, you have to replace the aluminum brake that physically stops the blade."

And the blade will be junk, too...... I've been told they can/will false on wet wood. You can lock the feature out by pushing a special button, but need to do so each time the saw is turned on.


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most reviews about everything these days are positve... when was the last time you saw a "Blank" rag have a bad review? My exp with just about every thing is people for the most part like what they buy, even if its crap... more so if they are doing it to "show off".

As I said, put it next to a good saw in the same size/ power range( of which a delta or power matetic/ jet are about a grand cheaper) and you will see the diffrence real quick.

You use to have replace the entire "brake" asyemble do to the fact that it blew a not replaceable fuse... that was a few years ago they might have change that by now. ( looking at thier web site they have since I last saw them)

I'm from the school that if you put your hand near a spining blade, you get what you get.( and yes I am a professional wood worker)
 
That business of getting something legally mandated is reprehensible. Not only for the profit motive involved (another tool in the CEO's toobox), but for the fact that it goes along with advancing the whole Nanny State Attitude.

There's nothing new about touch-sensitive circuitry, where it senses a couple of electrons draining off to the body, since "the human body has a relatively large inherent electrical capacitance and conductivity which cause the signal to drop when a person contacts the blade."

I built a very simple circuit when I was a Lab Tech to sense when a lab rat went to drink from the drinking tubes back in 1963 using the "common collector" configuration of one of the first transistors, a CK722. Worked like a charm.

As a kind of tragicomic sidebar, they installed touch-sensitive panic bars on some of the outgoing glass doors in our new building. First thing I thought of when I encountered these was "Can you pronouce 'accident - wating - to - happen?'"

Sure enough, people have been banging into the doors (in at least one case causing a serious injury requiring stiches and a Workmen's Comp claim) when they don't release the door latch.

This occurs in dry weather, when people are wearing gloves, when they try to go through the doors by pushing the crash bar with a clothed arm or with a package they're carrying, etc.

They've had the manufacturer's technicians out there dozens of times trying to adjust the sensitivity, and still fail to recognize or acknowledge that the design concept itself is inherently flawed and a total failure.

This has been going on for over a year now.

And people are still banging into those stupid doors when they don't unlatch. Good thing they're nice solid tempered 7/8" glass.

Blind stupidity on the part of Manglement.

Oops. I meant "Management."

-- Terry.
 

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Touch sensor bars

I have installed many of these, and haven't seen the problems described. There is a sensitivity adjustment on the little sensor board in the unit that always fixes any problem I've had. I have replaced (2) sensor boards in the last 5 years (lifetime warranty) I like them. O C
 
A former cow-orker in Tn now has one on his tablesaw. He told me that when his push-tool slipped, it worked as advertised when his right palm heel came in contact with the blade. He did get cut, but the damage was minimal... simple bandages and triple-antibiotic. He said it was fairly expensive to replace the brake, and the carbide blade was trashed, but money well spent in light of what would've happened had the same thing happened using a conventional saw. He's a believer.
I worked with powertools daily for 18 years with zero injuries, but then lost my left bird-fingertip when the air line broke on a valve I was working on. Sucks for me. I now call it my "Kinder, Gentler Bird-finger".
 
Sawstop does not claim the saw prevents injury, but that it greatly reduces the severity. It's the difference between the aforementioned band-aid + Neosporin and a bloody stump.

The safety feature works quite well. It also helps to RTFM before using it. If you want to cut wet wood, there's a very simple way to test for tripping the brake. if the test says the brake will go off, you lock out the circuit. Same for cutting non-ferrous metals. It takes only a few seconds to lock it out, and if you're in so much of a hurry that a few seconds is a major inconvenience, maybe you should save working with power tools for another day.

Replacement brake cartridges cost in the neighborhood of $60, a bit higher for dado brakes. (The brake cartridge includes some of the electronics, so it's not just a matter of replacing a chunk of aluminum.) A new blade will run ~ $40-$125. How much would a trip to the emergency room cost? (Add in lost time at work and the possibility of physical therapy, too.)

I used to use a Sawstop frequently. IMO, it's more solidly built than a Delta or Powermatic. Its biggest drawback is the price, at least a grand more than the competition, which is why I don't have one in my shop. Disclosure: I used to work at a local Woodcraft store. I no longer work there or have any financial interest in the store, nor am I affiliated in any way with Sawstop. While I worked at the store, we frequently sold multiple numbers to school districts and, yes, even woodworking businesses. A new brake cartridge and blade is a lot cheaper than a multi-million dollar lawsuit brought by the parents of an inattentive teen or an employee who suffered a sudden brain fart.

People do stupid things all the time. If you haven't done your share yet, be patient; you're building up a lot of karma. ;)

Oh yeah, first post - Hi there!
 
on the topic of getting things mandated to create a market

here in PRK the gun lock manufacturs got a law passed that you must have either a *new* gunlock(CA approved of course), or a safe(CA approved of course) when you leave the store when purchasing a firearm

now i dont think buying a safe/gunlock is really a bad idea, but clearly its a way to garuntee a market for a product.

the last two guns i bought didn't come with a lock, so i was forced to buy one, nothing in the law says i cant come back the next day and return it:evil:
 
For those who haven't seen it

Check this out. I have been a cabinet maker/woodworker for 20+ years and still have all ten. I had no idea what Saw Stop was until the other day. I may be going to work for a company that has one of these so I looked it up online. Even though I have never had an accident on a table saw I will be buying one of these. The Saw that I saw at Western tool was $2200 compared to about $1800 for the Unisaw and a little less for the Powermatic or Jet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCdfOWUfgUw

There are other videos there as well which explain the technology. As for how this relates to guns I am not really sure. I will say this however, if anyone ever figures how to design a gun that won't kill accidentally and will only shoot bad guys, I'll buy one. Make it function like a Glock and I'll buy more than one. :neener:
 
I'm a professional in the woodworking field, and had some direct communication with the guys who invented the Saw Stop. I thought it was reprehensible when they tried to get a government mandate to force manufacturers to use their system. I wrote the inventor directly and told him if it was such a great idea, build it, market it, sell it, and people will buy it. I am sure I am not the only one who told him that, but he did it, and it seems to be working.

I will never have one in my shop, one reason being that it gives a false sense of security, and another being it does not cure kickback, which is more frequent, but I give him credit for getting it on the market.

What does this have to do with guns? I carry when I am in the shop! :neener:
 
Kickback is fun. My old shop teacher on the first day would make everyone stand on the opposite side of the table saw while it was running with the blade fully exposed and cranked up to max height. He would then hurl scraps of wood onto the saw blade and the wood flying across the shop to demonstrate why you can't be an idiot with the table saw. No shop accidents to my knowledge! :D
 
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