SBR or Sig Brace

[Hyrulejedi86]

Definitely, worth thinking about. Especially, with eforms still available. I guess I was also drawn to the fact that a pistol can cross state lines but the SBR can't without notification. I have family out of town in an SBR legal state that we visit. I may well be going SBR after thinking about it.

 

[justice06rr]

Its really a toss-up, but the safer way to go is legally SBR it so you'll have your end covered.

I'm doing a Pistol AR with the SigBrace myself, but down the road will SBR a dedicated lower. Plus you get the comfort and adjustability of using any stock you wish with a SBR--with the Brace you are stuck with that.

 

[Blade First]

I don't get your reasoning. If the BATFE decides to contradict its own letter of approval, and by implication threatens your possession of the brace, simply remove the offending appendage and throw it in the trash.

You own a legal pistol, don't you?!

 

[wally]

My answer is to get the SB-15 so you can use it during the long wait for the SBR stamp.

You can always sell the SB15 and pistol buffer tube afterwards.

 

[W.E.G.]

OP posted: So what are your thoughts on the matter?

Every time I see one of these gee-whiz sorts of things, I ask myself: What would I (or anybody I know) actually use it for?

I respect your right to have the weirdest gun in the woods if it works for you.

For me, I can't begin to think why I would choose a weapon so-configured.

Thus far, from the various posts I've read, the ONLY reason why anybody is excited about this thing is because it seems to "get around" the silly SBR rules. If it weren't for the beat-the-rules element, nobody would be buying these things.

Police and military could use this sort of thing without concern for "the rules."
Do you see any of them using this?

 

[Sam1911]

Thus far, from the various posts I've read, the ONLY reason why anybody is excited about this thing is because it seems to "get around" the silly SBR rules. If it weren't for the beat-the-rules element, nobody would be buying these things.

Precisely. That's not hard to understand. Maybe a few hundred people might actually buy one to help deal with a missing support hand/arm, but the rest of the thousands of buyers are getting them to use as a pseudo-SBR.

Police and military could use this sort of thing without concern for "the rules."
Do you see any of them using this?

Of course not. I see LOTS of them using SBRs, but that's because doing so is relatively easy for them, with their issued gear not having to meet the NFA rules.

This is a workaround so that Joe Citizen can have a functional compact rifle/PDW without the wait and paperwork.

What's not clear about that?

 

[W.E.G.]

Yes, but show me anybody who has shot much SBR who really thinks a pistol-barreled AR-15 is the ideal weapon.

The cops and military are using rifles that have barrels that are a whole 1.3" shorter than what is legal for Joe Blow.

Somewhere, the military decided that 14.7" inches was the magic number for foot soldier. I won't even begin to get into how they came up with that number.

I had 10.5" .223 carbine. I was not impressed with it.

I'm sure I would be even less impressed with an even shorter barrel on a "rifle."

I've had this conversation before. It always evolves from size of the gun, then to the caliber of the gun, and then to what type of target will be engaged, and then to whether it will be fired full-auto, and then what type of ammo, and then what type of personnel support, and then blah, blah, blah...

If the stumpy-barrel rifle caliber gun is ideal to your needs, more power to you.
I've fired a whole lot of types of guns.
Without fail, the weird ones go the way of the weird soon after the novelty wears off.

 

[Hyrulejedi86]

True for rifle caliber but in my case I have a 9mm AR that a short length barrel will keep my handloads subsonic.

 

[W.E.G.]

but in my case I have a 9mm AR

Just like I said.

Then the debate turns to the caliber.

Then it turns to the effectiveness of the caliber for the intended purpose.

If it works for you, I'm glad for you.

A 9mm rifle Stoner-type rifle does not interest me.
Neither is it a first choice for most 9mm shooters, or most rifle shooters.

 

[Sam1911]

If the stumpy-barrel rifle caliber gun is ideal to your needs, more power to you.

Well, ok, then, that seems to be the take-home message.

Conveniently, the SIG brace setup appears to be a relatively inexpensive way for folks to determine if a "stumpy-barrel" rifle is ideal for their needs.

Sounds like a win to me!

 

[waterhouse]

Yes, but show me anybody who has shot much SBR who really thinks a pistol-barreled AR-15 is the ideal weapon.

Most of the entry team guys I know use them (most use 10.5) Given a choice, my 12.5" gun would be my primary AR. I would guess that 98% of my AR shooting is inside of 100 yards. I don't find the 12.5" to be much louder than a 16" gun, it is more compact, and the velocity loss doesn't matter at the distance I use it at.

 

[wally]

Yes, but show me anybody who has shot much SBR who really thinks a pistol-barreled AR-15 is the ideal weapon.

Of course its not ideal, but if you live in a state than doesn't allow SBR or don't want the NFA hassles, or want something to use while waiting for your SBR stamp, an AR pistol with the SB-15 is as they say "close enough for government work".

Actually its close enough that its probably worth trying one before deciding if its worth the hassle of an NFA SBR or not.

I rarely shoot much past 100 yards and I've really come to prefer shooting my SBRs over the carbines, ended up liking them much more than I expected to. YMMV.

 

[yamahawarrior89]

Also if you want it loaded in your vehicle as a ccw

Some states don't allow sbr's or loaded rifles in your vehicle