Scary thing at drill this weekend
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In any case sounds like the scouts were actually working an Afgan type scenario. Or even more likely used to monitor movement. I have done the same thing myself.
In any case sounds like the scouts were actually working an Afgan type scenario. Or even more likely used to monitor movement. I have done the same thing myself.
The comment that you deleted was not a comment on THE Civil War but on states rights to secede which was also brought up in response to the suggestion of firing on State Militia troops
Was the militia a willing participant in a war game or were you tasked with surveillance on a the organization without their knowledge
I don't think there was anybody outside the National Guard actually involved. It was a training exercise. Pretending.
How are you going to pretend to scout a group of people, do you simulate seeing them doing something a report back?
When I was in the war games were called lifeline
Myself and another private were put at the head of the road leading to the generals house and told that there was supposed to be a bunker there under a small stand of trees
When the general came by a saw two PFCs lounging in the grass under the maple trees we told him that we were simulating a bunker,
He was not amused
I heard already that the FBI was working on exactly those kind of scenarios.... I guess time will tell.
Looke at all those edits! WOW...that says a LOT.
Looke at all those edits! WOW...that says a LOT.
I suppose a good question for the lieutenant would have been, "Lieutenant, how do you know we all aren't sympathetic to the local militia?"
Pilgrim
The edits are just to keep us on topic here BC.
We've gone round and round on the ol' "Who was right in the Civil War" (and yes, the related "secession is/is not Constitutional") thing more times than I can count.
If you want to debate that point again, armedpolitesociety.com is open 24/7 for your posting convenience.
Here lets keep it to the NG vs State Militia thing, if you don't mind.
We've gone round and round on the ol' "Who was right in the Civil War" (and yes, the related "secession is/is not Constitutional") thing more times than I can count.
If you want to debate that point again, armedpolitesociety.com is open 24/7 for your posting convenience.
Here lets keep it to the NG vs State Militia thing, if you don't mind.
Ok but i still think that if the government troops fired on the militia that state would be looking into he secession thing all over again
There now you can't yell at me
There now you can't yell at meDebating that point is for the losers, my side won, and I have no interest in that argument or the APS board. I know all about THR being a private board etc, etc, I'm a moderator too.....but I'm still shocked at the sheer amount of censorship here. Censorship is censorship. The lesser of two evils is still evil.
If the Chinese invaded America, would you be fighting for your home or for a small portion of the population to own Mercedes-Benz?
Only three percent of the population back then owned slaves; slaves were a luxury.
Campers, once a certain percentage of the population is involved, it is virtually impossible to "win" a guerilla war.
Given that one could easily disrupt enough major services to cause essentially a "lockdown" situation with 200 dedicated personnel, imagine what one could do with 2,000...
If the cities decide that they rule the rural areas, fine. Don't feed 'em. Then they'll come and try to take it...
Given that one could easily disrupt enough major services to cause essentially a "lockdown" situation with 200 dedicated personnel, imagine what one could do with 2,000...
If the cities decide that they rule the rural areas, fine. Don't feed 'em. Then they'll come and try to take it...
FYI, we lost that "war" without a shot ever being fired.
Getting back to the background philosophy of how military force is to be used
in this country required one to be old enough to remember a string of PPDs
under Clinton. This was also the climate at the time in which the AWB was
passed and the 29 Palms Survey was given.
When taken together this was why many of us over age 30 at the time knew
there had been a major shift already in our lifetime --in a very short time. This
was why older soldiers in the survery were less likely to follow orders that
infringed upon the lives and liberties of their fellow citizens. We had hoped this
would shift back under the following administration, but obviously it did not.
Other than what will turn out to be a temporary hiatus on the AWB, it has
gotten worse in the interpretation of who can exercise the use of force under
the 2nd Amendment.
Again, I ask the question: what would the current young adult generation do
if there was a "Mr and Mrs America all EBRs are banned now turn them in" and
they were given orders to carry that out?
Study early Soviet history under "collectivization" and then combine that with
the fact that farmers' seeds come from seed factories nowadays and produce
sterile offspring. The cities do rule the rural countryside in their regions just
as DC rules the United States. People complain all day long about how DC infringes
on the 2A, but grudgingly go along with whatever gets passed even when it's
obviously invalidated by the Constitution and the BoR.
Again, you have to take the big picture view of things. This is what Montana
has done by beginning to re-assert its control over the 2nd Amendment.
Wow, look at all those lights blinking away on the WOPR......
The day the great leader thinks that the majority of military leadership will go along with confiscations is the day before it happens.
It will not be on our watch.
It will not be on our watch.
I'm curious as to what sort of tactics were being "practiced" and whether the context of "state militia" had any bearing on those?
For instance, if one would normally hit an "enemy" with mortar shells and rifle fire, were they using less lethal options like tear gas and cutting off their supply lines and routes of egress? Please tell me they weren't practicing shooting and bombing Americans on American soil.
For instance, if one would normally hit an "enemy" with mortar shells and rifle fire, were they using less lethal options like tear gas and cutting off their supply lines and routes of egress? Please tell me they weren't practicing shooting and bombing Americans on American soil.
Again, the president at the time would call in for assistance if the people began to rout Homeland Security/Blackwater/Nat'l Guard units/Multi-Jurisdictional Task Forces. Thing I lie?
Only a damned fool wouldn't - assuming it was your goal to use force to keep the states in a state of status quo.
Who would you turn to?
The United Nations and NATO would fit that bill quite well. Keep in mind that China and Russia (as well as many of the ex-Soviet Republics) and much of Africa could actually benefit by feeding their soldiers and people and for China - just getting them out of China and "predeploying" into th continental US.
And things would never be the same for we the people.
By subjugating the USA the One World Gov't envisioned by the various vampires of "The Monster's Ball" could be a reality.
Laugh and scoff if you must but you'd be much better off paying attention.
Only a damned fool wouldn't - assuming it was your goal to use force to keep the states in a state of status quo.
Who would you turn to?
The United Nations and NATO would fit that bill quite well. Keep in mind that China and Russia (as well as many of the ex-Soviet Republics) and much of Africa could actually benefit by feeding their soldiers and people and for China - just getting them out of China and "predeploying" into th continental US.
And things would never be the same for we the people.
By subjugating the USA the One World Gov't envisioned by the various vampires of "The Monster's Ball" could be a reality.
Laugh and scoff if you must but you'd be much better off paying attention.
There's nothing new here. The federalized military forces were used to brutally attack and destroy half the country. It remains the worst war we've ever fought, by far. Without getting into the relative merits of federal and confederate, it's worth remembering that volunteer state militias were at the core of both armies.
The line between insurrection and freedom fighting is easier to see in hindsight, but even then it's not always clear. There does come a time, in the course of human events, when the government above the people is no longer of them. I think we're headed in that direction. Apparently, the folks running that training exercise thought so too. Folks in and out of uniform will have to decide what side of the line they want to be on, just as the last time we went through all this.
The line between insurrection and freedom fighting is easier to see in hindsight, but even then it's not always clear. There does come a time, in the course of human events, when the government above the people is no longer of them. I think we're headed in that direction. Apparently, the folks running that training exercise thought so too. Folks in and out of uniform will have to decide what side of the line they want to be on, just as the last time we went through all this.
Yes, Titan6, you show your ignorance. Why would the leader of the US allow "the most powerful nation in the world" to make a good show against it? You'd be remembered as a jackarse if you allowed a civil war to bring your gov't order to a grinding halt. Yes, I wish YOU were president and the circumstances provided were in tact. We the people would have our nation back.
Personally, if my goals were the goals of the elite, and I'm getting my arse handed to me by "you the people" I'd definitely have assistance in the form of the UN (Russia and China, predominantly). I'd crush your asses with superior firepower. Which is exactly what any of the monsters in office would do.
You, sir, are delusional.
Personally, if my goals were the goals of the elite, and I'm getting my arse handed to me by "you the people" I'd definitely have assistance in the form of the UN (Russia and China, predominantly). I'd crush your asses with superior firepower. Which is exactly what any of the monsters in office would do.
You, sir, are delusional.
Like we're doing in Afghanistan, right? Wait, no Iraq. . .
Jeez, what was I thinking, that's not the U.N. - YOU mean the African republics, where superior U.N. firepower has brought genocide to a halt with advanced weapons and dedicated soldiering.
ST
ps - the paying attention part of your posts, I agree with wholeheartedly. The things that would differentiate the discussed ordeal from the above musings would be; giving Russia and China a stake, an exchange that would be worth 'invasion'. Have we already forgotten
PEACE MISSION 2005? (click for chinese version)
or HERE for the US version of Peace Mission 2005.
:banghead:
What I mean is this, ST:
It would be a horrible precedent for the US gov't agents to lose this nation to we the people (from the globalist agenda, obviously). Therefore, they'd do all they could to maintain the status quo or use this as THE opportunity to "cull the herd" in the process of brutally re-establshing the status quo.
I don't think they'd stop at anything to do this: assist the separatist factions to fight their "opposames"; use Central and South American troops against predominantly Whites west of the Rockies; use NATO, Russian and Chinese troops for the most part due to their large size and technical sophistication. They'd also give looter's rights to smaller nations' forces.
All of this for their "New World Order".
We, at least in theory, stand in the way.
One thing I do know is that if I were on the other side and things got seriously out of hand I'd do whatever would further the agenda of global control (an agenda shared by our gov't agents, btw) and population reduction (read The Global 2000 Report signed by Carter).
From Russia, China and Europe's perspective, they'd not wish to see an unstable USA in which the military hardware (particularly the nukes) fall into the hands of an "ultranationalist" group as it would be a direct threat to any of them and even if they could "defeat" us they'd lose a TREMENDOUS amount in the process. They could NOT afford to allow the US to fall into the hands of persons who think like Ron Paul and many here.
Well, if I were a leader of Russia, China or Europe I'd not wish to see populists gain total control of the US. If I were China or Russia it would probably be a good time to nuke the USA while they were severely preoccupied with internal strife. Of course, before I'd lob them I'd supply "you the people" with as much stuff to occupy the remnant of the military left while I'd simultaneously ramp up the weapons, IEDs, etc in Iraq and Iran as well as kick off things in North Africa, the border of Korea and throughout the Caucasus as well as the Balkans. There's no way for the US to deal with all of it at once and it would be FORCED to deal with the most pressing issues within the borders of the US.
But that's just the way I think...
It would be a horrible precedent for the US gov't agents to lose this nation to we the people (from the globalist agenda, obviously). Therefore, they'd do all they could to maintain the status quo or use this as THE opportunity to "cull the herd" in the process of brutally re-establshing the status quo.
I don't think they'd stop at anything to do this: assist the separatist factions to fight their "opposames"; use Central and South American troops against predominantly Whites west of the Rockies; use NATO, Russian and Chinese troops for the most part due to their large size and technical sophistication. They'd also give looter's rights to smaller nations' forces.
All of this for their "New World Order".
We, at least in theory, stand in the way.
One thing I do know is that if I were on the other side and things got seriously out of hand I'd do whatever would further the agenda of global control (an agenda shared by our gov't agents, btw) and population reduction (read The Global 2000 Report signed by Carter).
From Russia, China and Europe's perspective, they'd not wish to see an unstable USA in which the military hardware (particularly the nukes) fall into the hands of an "ultranationalist" group as it would be a direct threat to any of them and even if they could "defeat" us they'd lose a TREMENDOUS amount in the process. They could NOT afford to allow the US to fall into the hands of persons who think like Ron Paul and many here.
Well, if I were a leader of Russia, China or Europe I'd not wish to see populists gain total control of the US. If I were China or Russia it would probably be a good time to nuke the USA while they were severely preoccupied with internal strife. Of course, before I'd lob them I'd supply "you the people" with as much stuff to occupy the remnant of the military left while I'd simultaneously ramp up the weapons, IEDs, etc in Iraq and Iran as well as kick off things in North Africa, the border of Korea and throughout the Caucasus as well as the Balkans. There's no way for the US to deal with all of it at once and it would be FORCED to deal with the most pressing issues within the borders of the US.
But that's just the way I think...
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Hmmmmm....
When was that Whiskey Rebellion? Who was the enemy? http://www.nps.gov/archive/frhi/whiskreb.htm
War on Terror... let us simply ask, "Who's a terrorist today?" "Tomorrow?"
Enemies Foreign and Domestic... (didn't someone write a book...)
A rose by any other name. Is a militia member a freedom fighter, a terrorist or just a speed bump in the way of Governmental progress?
D.I. Sounds like an interesting exercise. Both your reality in VT NG training and cyber think here. Certainly led to much discussion. Good thread. Great read.
When was that Whiskey Rebellion? Who was the enemy? http://www.nps.gov/archive/frhi/whiskreb.htm
War on Terror... let us simply ask, "Who's a terrorist today?" "Tomorrow?"
Enemies Foreign and Domestic... (didn't someone write a book...)
A rose by any other name. Is a militia member a freedom fighter, a terrorist or just a speed bump in the way of Governmental progress?
D.I. Sounds like an interesting exercise. Both your reality in VT NG training and cyber think here. Certainly led to much discussion. Good thread. Great read.
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