Hello, I just bought a Rem. 700 VTR in the .308 and i was hopeing someone could help my chose a scope. I am pretty sure its going to be a Bushnell Elite 4200. Just cant decide between the 6-24x40 or 6-24x50 or 8-32x40. What would you pick? I plan to shot somewhere in the 600+-yard range. But at the same time shoot squrriels at a farily far disatnce, and they can be small. Lastley i will spend as much time at the range as i do in the field, and i will probaly get the mil-dot sights. So what do you think? Thanks for any response.
Scope help? VTR 700
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Go with the 40mm bell the 50mm is to big and bulky the bigger the bell the more light you get in but a 40mm will do you fine. with the 50mm you would have to mount it with high rings and to get that adjustment out to 600 + yards you probably need some type of MOA base "im not sure of the internal adjustment range on the elite" Wich would make your cheek weld and view through the scope kind of hard to achieve unless you have some type of adjustable cheek piece.
hope I helped a little.
hope I helped a little.
skinewmexico
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The dots on the mil-dot cover most target centers @ 600. If you're really going to shoot that far, you need a fine dot. And the 4200 is a great scope, but mine suffers from a lack of internal adjustment. You may need a 10 MOA base to get to 600 with a 308 (no, I haven't run the numbers), but Bushnell may have increased the internal adjustment on the new models.
Ridgerunner665
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In that price range...the Leupold Mark 2 6-18x40mm Tactical scope with T1 turrets...I have one and its great in all aspects.
It has a mil-dot reticle (calibrated for 18x) and I have no trouble hitting or seeing the targets at 600 yards (and farther).
If 600 yards is as far as you're going to shoot it...you may or may not need a canted base...as a matter of fact, if your scope has at least 56 MOA of adjustment, you could almost get to 900 yards with the scope mounted flat. But there are a few variables involved, it will depend on how much of that 56 MOA you use to "zero" your scope...if it comes out in the middle, like its supposed to (most don't...and its the rifles fault, not the scope)...you would have 28 MOA up and down...with my 308 loaded with 168 grain bullets at 2,635 fps it takes 28.9 MOA to get to 900 yards. (zeroed at 200 yards)
But...as I said...most don't come out in the middle because the actions on most all factory rifles are just not that "true"...sad fact. Add to that the fact that the "affordable" (cheap) mounts are even more screwed up than the rifles and you can end up waaay off...for example, my new Remington SPS Tactical with the Leupold Mark 2 mounted on 20+ year old Weaver (WalMart) mounts zeroed exactly one full turn "up" from the "center" (15 MOA canted...in the wrong direction)...I am going to get a 15 or 20 MOA mount for it soon, I just have not made up my mind which I want on it yet.
I know, I know...a $600+ scope mounted in $6 mounts is asking for trouble...but they were all I had laying around and I wanted to shoot my new rifle...
The best advice I can give you is to get a good scope with at least 56 MOA of adjustment...I recommend the Leupold I mentioned or a VX III over the Bushnell simply because I know they work....the clicks are true and they are the same place every time and the glass is great. Now I'm not bashing Bushnell... they are good scopes, but for the $$$ the OP will spend on the 4200...he can get a better one.
Mount that on a 15 MOA rail or 2 piece mount (Leupold Mark 4 bases come in 15 MOA and don't cost an arm and a leg) and shoot it till the barrel falls off.
BTW...the Leupold Mark 2 6-18x40mm Tactical scope is advertised to have 56 MOA of adjustment...but mine actually has 75 MOA...15 MOA per revolution x 5 revolutions = 75 MOA...tried and true. $619 from Cabelas, Midway, OpticsPlanet, etc.
AND...according to a reliable source (A product review on SniperCentral)...the Bushnell scopes advertise 50 MOA but the one tested in the review only had 44 MOA....see for yourself... http://www.snipercentral.com/bushnell4200.phtml
Why they even bothered with a 30mm tube on that scope is beyond me...other than a selling point to "those that don't know any better"...it serves no purpose. Any scope with a 30mm tube should have AT LEAST 60 MOA of adjustment.
One more thing...I would NEVER think about getting a magnification higher than 24x...18x is PLENTY and you can get by just fine with 10x... Also, 40 - 44mm is enough objective...bigger ain't always better.
It has a mil-dot reticle (calibrated for 18x) and I have no trouble hitting or seeing the targets at 600 yards (and farther).
If 600 yards is as far as you're going to shoot it...you may or may not need a canted base...as a matter of fact, if your scope has at least 56 MOA of adjustment, you could almost get to 900 yards with the scope mounted flat. But there are a few variables involved, it will depend on how much of that 56 MOA you use to "zero" your scope...if it comes out in the middle, like its supposed to (most don't...and its the rifles fault, not the scope)...you would have 28 MOA up and down...with my 308 loaded with 168 grain bullets at 2,635 fps it takes 28.9 MOA to get to 900 yards. (zeroed at 200 yards)
But...as I said...most don't come out in the middle because the actions on most all factory rifles are just not that "true"...sad fact. Add to that the fact that the "affordable" (cheap) mounts are even more screwed up than the rifles and you can end up waaay off...for example, my new Remington SPS Tactical with the Leupold Mark 2 mounted on 20+ year old Weaver (WalMart) mounts zeroed exactly one full turn "up" from the "center" (15 MOA canted...in the wrong direction)...I am going to get a 15 or 20 MOA mount for it soon, I just have not made up my mind which I want on it yet.
I know, I know...a $600+ scope mounted in $6 mounts is asking for trouble...but they were all I had laying around and I wanted to shoot my new rifle...
The best advice I can give you is to get a good scope with at least 56 MOA of adjustment...I recommend the Leupold I mentioned or a VX III over the Bushnell simply because I know they work....the clicks are true and they are the same place every time and the glass is great. Now I'm not bashing Bushnell... they are good scopes, but for the $$$ the OP will spend on the 4200...he can get a better one.
Mount that on a 15 MOA rail or 2 piece mount (Leupold Mark 4 bases come in 15 MOA and don't cost an arm and a leg) and shoot it till the barrel falls off.
BTW...the Leupold Mark 2 6-18x40mm Tactical scope is advertised to have 56 MOA of adjustment...but mine actually has 75 MOA...15 MOA per revolution x 5 revolutions = 75 MOA...tried and true. $619 from Cabelas, Midway, OpticsPlanet, etc.
AND...according to a reliable source (A product review on SniperCentral)...the Bushnell scopes advertise 50 MOA but the one tested in the review only had 44 MOA....see for yourself... http://www.snipercentral.com/bushnell4200.phtml
Why they even bothered with a 30mm tube on that scope is beyond me...other than a selling point to "those that don't know any better"...it serves no purpose. Any scope with a 30mm tube should have AT LEAST 60 MOA of adjustment.
One more thing...I would NEVER think about getting a magnification higher than 24x...18x is PLENTY and you can get by just fine with 10x... Also, 40 - 44mm is enough objective...bigger ain't always better.
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Ridgerunner665
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By the way...it takes about 13.5 MOA to get to 600 yards...depending of course on bullet weight and muzzle velocity.
That is with a 200 yard zero...the 4200 could do that I'm sure, but if I were you I'd make sure I didn't want "a little more for my money".
Hope I helped...
That is with a 200 yard zero...the 4200 could do that I'm sure, but if I were you I'd make sure I didn't want "a little more for my money".
Hope I helped...
skinewmexico
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I didn't say you couldn't see or hit targets at 600 with a mil-dot, I said the dot on a lot of mil-dots more than covers the target center. So if the OP ever wanted to shoot F-Class, he would need a fine dot unless he just wanted finish last.
Ridgerunner665
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OK...none of mine have a dot at the crosshair. Sorry I misunderstood your first post.
stubbicatt
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IMO, get a 30mm tube. There are many out there. I am very happy with the IOR 6x scope I have. Great design, great optics, decent price point.
fireman 9731
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I put an NcStar mark III on my VTR in 22-250.
10-40x50 with a 30 mm tube. illuminated range finding reticle
1/4 in MOA adjustments
really nice scope for the price
it has held a zero through several hundred rounds and lots of carrying around and bumping with millet rings
only $170 on ebay
I couldnt ask for anything more for the price!
10-40x50 with a 30 mm tube. illuminated range finding reticle
1/4 in MOA adjustments
really nice scope for the price
it has held a zero through several hundred rounds and lots of carrying around and bumping with millet rings
only $170 on ebay
I couldnt ask for anything more for the price!
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