Scopes on AR15's suggestions..ideas

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speaking of old time..............

ran across a little1.5x4 Bushnel Scopechief with "Command Post" today at a little local gun show......for $25 OTD.

I figure it will end up on an AR something eventually maybe a -180 rather than a -15.

At first I thought it was a little cloudy, but then remembered the right eye is original equipment and currently showing cateracts. Switched to plastic lensed left eye and yep it was just me. A little bit of debris on both lenses so I must find the lens papers out in the shop and a bottle of distilled water.

I was watching TV with it on 1.5 power across the living room (Pixar Dizzy "Coco") and my daughter asked if I could see anything so I gave it to her. She was amazed that one could see the "target" that clearly that close and that the post sight was black and focused as well. I flipped off the Command Post so the bottom fine hair was visible in place of the thick tapered post and set it on 4 power and had her check out the tree across the yard.......now there is the issue of whether it should go on one of my ARs or her 10/22.......

Oh incase the younger guys don't understand my excitement the Command Post is a thick lower crosshair sort of like the ends of you basic duplex scope only it tapers to a wide post at the center position where the other three fine wires come together. Shifting an adjustment ring between the power ring and cross hair focus "ring" about an eighth of a turn drops the thick tapered post so you have a fine cross hair.

Such sight pictures were popular in European hunting rifles for early morning late evening shooting and shooting under bad weather conditions and with some military scopes before illuminated scopes became common. Yah, no batteries to worry about. At close ranges one can shoot a 1.5 power scope with both eyes open BTW.

-kBob
 
kBob said:
speaking of old time..............

ran across a little1.5x4 Bushnel Scopechief with "Command Post" today at a little local gun show......for $25 OTD.

I figure it will end up on an AR something eventually maybe a -180 rather than a -15.

At first I thought it was a little cloudy, but then remembered the right eye is original equipment and currently showing cateracts. Switched to plastic lensed left eye and yep it was just me. A little bit of debris on both lenses so I must find the lens papers out in the shop and a bottle of distilled water.

I was watching TV with it on 1.5 power across the living room (Pixar Dizzy "Coco") and my daughter asked if I could see anything so I gave it to her. She was amazed that one could see the "target" that clearly that close and that the post sight was black and focused as well. I flipped off the Command Post so the bottom fine hair was visible in place of the thick tapered post and set it on 4 power and had her check out the tree across the yard.......now there is the issue of whether it should go on one of my ARs or her 10/22.......

Oh incase the younger guys don't understand my excitement the Command Post is a thick lower crosshair sort of like the ends of you basic duplex scope only it tapers to a wide post at the center position where the other three fine wires come together. Shifting an adjustment ring between the power ring and cross hair focus "ring" about an eighth of a turn drops the thick tapered post so you have a fine cross hair.

Such sight pictures were popular in European hunting rifles for early morning late evening shooting and shooting under bad weather conditions and with some military scopes before illuminated scopes became common. Yah, no batteries to worry about. At close ranges one can shoot a 1.5 power scope with both eyes open BTW.

-kBob
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kBob,,,,,,thanks for that info....I did not know about the Command Post as you describe it.....
 
Jim Hathaway said:
I went for the Vortex StrikeFire II Red Dot Cantilever Red/Green @ $179.95 -$9.00 discount for retired LEO/Military......Thanks to the Gunny for leading me to the Vortex line of optics.......
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Nice, and a good price too. Let us know how you like it. I can't believe no one recommended a Nikon P223 3x. I have one and for the money there is no better scope. I've toyed with the Vortex red dot you got, and am really curious how it works for you.

-Jeff
 
Bartojc said:
Nice, and a good price too. Let us know how you like it. I can't believe no one recommended a Nikon P223 3x. I have one and for the money there is no better scope. I've toyed with the Vortex red dot you got, and am really curious how it works for you.

-Jeff
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Jeff...I have not fired the weapon yet, but the new Vortex red/green dot was easy to mount.........don't know when I will get out to shoot...
 
Take a look at Holosun red dots... My personal favorite is the Holosun HS503C because it has long battery life, solar power, and a circle dot reticle. Mine has been fantastic. Good luck!
 
Bartojc said:
Nice, and a good price too. Let us know how you like it. I can't believe no one recommended a Nikon P223 3x. I have one and for the money there is no better scope. I've toyed with the Vortex red dot you got, and am really curious how it works for you.

-Jeff
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I got a Nikon P233 3-9x BDC scope last year for about $100, and I think for the money it’s a good purchase. Good optics, not too heavy or bulky, and covers most uses. 3x fixed would be too limiting for me, personally, as at 100 yards I still have to squint somewhat at that magnification.
 
With the P223 3x I’m not aware of a one piece mount that will work with it. Not a biggie but a two piece mount must me used with one.
 
The Vortex 1-4x with the illuminated reticle has been a quality budget option for me and a few others I know.
 
Well I just joined today I work night so you probably won't see this until the next time you get on. I have a Burris Ar332 prism sight mounted on my tactical AR. After adjusting it I can my full mag in the lid of a soda can at 100 yds all day long. Target acquisition is ridiculously quick. On my target AR I have a Leupold AR 4-12x40 that can drive tacks at 100 yds of coarse its not really great for home defense at its heavy. I think your best bet is the possibly the Vortex mentioned above or the Burris AR332 you certainly wont be disappointed in it.
 
Christian Roberts said:
Well I just joined today I work night so you probably won't see this until the next time you get on. I have a Burris Ar332 prism sight mounted on my tactical AR. After adjusting it I can my full mag in the lid of a soda can at 100 yds all day long. Target acquisition is ridiculously quick. On my target AR I have a Leupold AR 4-12x40 that can drive tacks at 100 yds of coarse its not really great for home defense at its heavy. I think your best bet is the possibly the Vortex mentioned above or the Burris AR332 you certainly wont be disappointed in it.
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Sounds like you picked a good one for sure.....
 
Ian and Karl like the Holosun HS503 with the 65 MOA ring around a chevron reticle.
Karl has a tip-out magnifier.
The Holosun has an auto off/on switch, too.
I have one coming to check this out.
 
Jim Hathaway said:
What kind of $$ does a red dot cost..?
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DI optics provides RDS' for the South Korean armed forces(supposedly) , they start around $230 for their Aimpoint M4 clone with a battery life of 20k. Ive only handled a few at the LGS and used one at the range ,they are built like tanks. The Trijicon MRO is a competitor to the Aimpoint and I paid right around $370 for mine about 2 years ago.
 
jf89 said:
DI optics provides RDS' for the South Korean armed forces(supposedly) , they start around $230 for their Aimpoint M4 clone with a battery life of 20k. Ive only handled a few at the LGS and used one at the range ,they are built like tanks.
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I had one of the DIO RV2 for a very short time in December 2015. It is built like a tank and they have precise full range dots. The early ones (and mine) with tinted green glass had subpar lens coatings that allowed large red reflections to show in the eye piece depending on the lighting, whether the dot was on or off. It made use in low light unacceptable for anything other than range shooting.

Supposedly, DIO was to release the RV1 and RV2 with better lens coatings and virtually untinted glass, but I never got to experience that as I moved on.
 
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chicharrones said:
I had one of the DIO RV2 for a very short time in December 2015. It is built like a tank and they have precise full range dots. The early ones (and mine) with tinted green glass had subpar lens coatings that allowed large red reflections to show in the eye piece depending on the lighting, whether the dot was on or off. It made use in low light unacceptable for anything other than range shooting.

Supposedly, DIO was to release the RV1 and RV2 with better lens coatings and virtually untinted glass, but I never got to experience that as I moved on.
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Good to know. Do you know if they ever fixed the issue?
 
jf89 said:
Good to know. Do you know if they ever fixed the issue?
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I haven't held another DIO since then. I would like to think they have fixed the issue as other lower priced red dot manufacturers have moved on from green tinted glass. For instance the low priced Bushnell TRS-25 used to have green glass and does not anymore.

Green tinted glass is a tell, but the dot has to be looked through to be sure. The reflection in mine was of the internal red dot LED mounting. The reflection covered half the ocular lens with light coming from above or behind me and it made it extremely difficult to see darkened targets in front of me. Think of being in the woods with sunlight poking through the trees, but your target is in a dark shady spot 50 yards away.
 
Well being as cheap and skinflinty as I am I just put a TRS-25 on an AR ( cheapest kit PSA had and currently filled with a magazine I never heard of that was on sale in a barrel at a Farm Supply store full of the cheapest .223 62 grain I felt I could trust … augie doggie, my son, my son, my boy) and so far I am impressed. Played with pointing it things around the property day and night did a handful of spectacular misses with it at a friends as I have yet to zero it.

Currently I have it set up on the about 1 inch riser for lower 1/3 co witness as that is what a bud wanted to see, but am thinking about going back to true co witness just to keep things simple on the .8 inch riser.

Did a little local show yesterday and no one had carrying handle for a flat top. Prices were ridiculous as always. Only other AR parts I wanted were a back plate set up for single point sling (cheapest was $20 and the loops were huge enough thy might rub my thumb in use) and no one had 20 round mags (and the cheapest 30s looked cheaper and were not cost wise than the one I got from that sale barrel) Last three shows there I left with something AR-ish but not yesterday.

Amazon and other online stuff keeps looking better and better for accessorizing my stuff. The word stuff must be legitimate as it appears in the King James Version of the Bible ….I would bet then not yet King David would have preferred an AR, some good magazines and a case of ammo over the word stuff...

Hey, its Sunday!
 
Of course, you're starting to get the idea that people put ALL kinds of scopes on ARs, from the tiniest dot sight to the hugest heaviest "tactical" scope, and everything in between, and no one is wrong. They can all be mounted (easily), and they are all "right", if they are right for your purpose. Don't let anyone decide for you or tell you that an ordinary hunting scope isn't good for you. There are a bazillion and a half scopes "made for" AR15s and other similar MSR rifles, and most of them are very good and very expensive (and heavy) - from Leupold, Trijicon, IOR Valdata, US Optics, S&B, Nightforce, Swaro, etc. And others for the AR in the budgety range, from Nikon, Burris, Bushnell, Primary Arms, and many others. Most of these nowadays are in the 1-6 or 1-8 x 20-24ish range. But you do not need of of these "made for" AR15s - any type of sight will work, just so long as you mount it high enough to look through.

HOWEVER, keep in mind that generous eye relief is preferred on an AR by some people, so that you can mount it forward of where you grab the charging handle, and still be able to see it without hunching forward. Or alternatively, you could mount it far back but high enough to get your mitts underneath to grab the charging handle, but this makes you further off-target than necessary at short ranges.

Personally, homey don't play battery-reliance, so if going with a dot sight, I'd run with a Trijicon RMR-DI, Leupold Prismatic 1x14, or that Zeiss with solar panels.

Currently I only have one AR, and it is wearing a Burris MTAC 1.5-6x40mm, but this is a bit heavy for my taste. Still, it's my 2nd favorite optic that I've been able to afford and buy, so far, for ARs. I think my favorite AR scope is one that is discontinued: it's the Nikon Omega / Slugmaster 1.65-5x36mm - insane eye relief and good all-purpose magnif. range. Only reason I don't still have that one on my AR is that I don't know what else I would put this Burris on, but I don't want to sell the Burris. The Burris MTAC 1-4x24 is alsol a good budgety option that isn't super heavy, gives a good field of view and decent eye relief, and still works when batteries are dead.
 
I shot today, the Leupold AR scope was easily the sharpest view compared to the other decent midrange scopes I used on the others.
 
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