Screen Actors Guild Safety Bulletins - RE: Firearms

[Kano383]

Hollywood loves guns (onscreen). Since the filming of gunfights and other shenanigans involves handling real guns, they have an industry-standard set of procedures. These procedures are contained in the Screen Actors Guild Safety Bulletins, which encompass different aspects of safety on set. Firearms safety is, whod'a guessed, chapter One.

This thread is not about starting a discussion on any event, old or recent, but about giving THR members an easy access to information related to firearm safety procedures in the most publicized industry worldwide.

Below, the relevant pages, so that anyone can make an informed opinion.

 

[buck460XVR]

Hollywood loves guns (onscreen).

....because it sells. Always has. What has changed dramatically over the years, is the gore associated with the filming of gunfights/shootings. Remember, the original Lone Ranger never killed any bad guy, even tho he was involved in several gunfights every Saturday morning. One only has to look at how long "Gunsmoke" ran as a series, to realize how much Americans(and others) loved Gunfights. I would have thought that 50-60 years ago, the regs to film gunfights and shooting, may have been laxc, but one would think in modern day, after some of the history of injuries and deaths with even just blanks in guns, that regs and supervision would be so tight, that injuries would be limited to "hammer bite".

 

[dweis]

The Screen Actors Guild (SAG) Safety Bulletin certainly contains all the right advice. It clearly holds the prop master and weapons handler (armorer) responsible for gun safety on a movie set. Unfortunately, SAG cannot make people follow those rules. Accidents happen when people do not follow safety rules regardless of what dangers the rules might apply to.

 

[Remington1911]

All in effort to distance themselves. Are these "rules" in effect during what I assume we are not talking about because of stupid "rules" around here.

And does that show there are ways around things.

 

[AlexanderA]

Hollywood loves guns (onscreen).

Utter hypocrisy, considering that most of the Hollywood glitterati actively push gun control. To my mind, this morally disqualifies them from being taken seriously on the gun issue. They can't have it both ways.

 

[Ks5shooter]

Hollywood SAG..........meh

 

[Steel Horse Rider]

Thanks for posting that, it does show that someone in Hollyweird has a little common sense.

 

[Speedo66]

Knee jerk reaction, the horse is already out of the barn.

Let’s see how closely they follow all the rules when production is late and it’s costing them extra money to do so.

 

[rubberduck]

every body screwed up that day.no brainer

 

[silicosys4]

Well there you go. Even the SAG's literature states that the rules of firearm handling still exist ON SET. Maybe those that were arguing otherwise here will see this thread.

 

[4v50 Gary]

Thanks for posting it.

 

[Kleanbore]

Knee jerk reaction, the horse is already out of the barn.

That version was issued long ago.

 

[Old Dog]

Maybe those that were arguing otherwise here will see this thread.

We can hope.

That version was issued long ago.

Yep. Revision of previous versions dating back to Jon-Erik Hexum's death in 1984 and Brandon Lee's in 1993. Both on set.

 

[N555]

When ever I film a video I always only use live ammo and no one's been shot or almost shot. I think they get way to comfortable pointing real guns at people or in their direction and pulling the trigger.

 

[redcon1]

TAOS — A 19-year-old man has been charged with involuntary manslaughter after police say he accidentally shot and killed his grandfather Monday while they were driving to a shooting range.

Alonzo “Rocky” Martínez, 62, was taken to Holy Cross Medical Center in Taos and was pronounced dead upon arrival.

According to a statement from the Taos Police Department, Rocky Martínez and his grandson, Jonah Martínez, were driving southbound on Salazar Road around 5 p.m. Monday, on their way to “engage in pistol target practice,” when the younger man was “manipulating a pistol that he believed to be unloaded and safe.”

This incident also occurred in New Mexico, approximately 6 months before the Rust incident btw.

 

[Kleanbore]

I think they get way to comfortable pointing real guns at people or in their direction and pulling the trigger.

Whom do you believe engages in that practice, and under what circumstances?

 

[Mauser fan]

Last revision was 19 years ago and republished 14 years ago. The SAG fails to realize it doesn't govern what the actor or actress does with any real supervision. It is a committee that hands out awards to for the most part line readers who live in the world of make believe for the general populations entertainment nothing more. So I see this document as nothing more than a fire starter and is worthless.

 

[Old Dog]

The SAG fails to realize it doesn't govern what the actor or actress does with any real supervision. It is a committee that hands out awards to for the most part line readers who live in the world of make believe for the general populations entertainment nothing more. So I see this document as nothing more than a fire starter and is worthless.

SAG is a labor union.

Its members are contractually bound to all union rules and policies.

 

[Kleanbore]

So I see this document as nothing more than a fire starter and is worthless.

Absent or in conjunction with other relevant documentation, it can serve to define the criminally negligent nature of the act by describing the caution and circumspection that were required..

 

[BRatigan]

It appears many of those rules may have been violated.

 

[unclenunzie]

^^^This

 

[bdickens]

It appears many of those rules may have been violated.

Ya don't say....

 

[Kleanbore]

It appears many of those rules may have been violated.

Evidence to that effect will likely be probative in the criminal and civl cases.

 

[22250Rem]

I'd like to thank the O.P. for posting that. I knew there were measures in place for Hollywood firearms use although the specifics of it all were unknown to me. That sheds a lot of light on this topic.

 

[Slamfire]

Last revision was 19 years ago and republished 14 years ago. The SAG fails to realize it doesn't govern what the actor or actress does with any real supervision. It is a committee that hands out awards to for the most part line readers who live in the world of make believe for the general populations entertainment nothing more. So I see this document as nothing more than a fire starter and is worthless.

It is just a piece of paper, and no piece of paper is stronger than the pulp it is printed on. If no one follows the advice, that is not the fault of those who hope they can pass down learning on a written page.

Having worked in organizations with written procedures, they work as long as the procedures are kept up to date, and management distributes them, follows them, explains them, and enforces them.

A safety attitude is critical for a safe working environment. And something to be recognized, is that there are slovenly and fearless people out there. The slovenly crowd requires extra oversight, the fearless ones are perhaps more dangerous. Fearless types don't have a good sense of risk and push things when they should stop and think about it. And the unfortunate thing is, leaders in organizations tend to be risk takers, and every obstacle they surmounted in the past adds to their current feelings of invincibility and invulnerability. And that leads to corner cutting and schedule above all. I have worked on "Success Orientated" programs, where risk was ignored because we were "success orientated". Mistakes don't fix themselves. Some mistakes create more harm than others.