Seems al Jezeerah thinks NRA is a boogie man

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to that I say

1. They have no clue what the NRA is
2. Good!


http://america.aljazeera.com/opinions/2015/3/the-nras-stranglehold-threatens-the-whole-world.html

The organization’s resistance to international arms control reveals its true mission: corporate lobbying


March 6, 2015 2:00AM ET

by Scott Beauchamp - @stb5g5




The National Rifle Association’s outsize influence on American politics, including its notorious suppression of universal background checks and further research into gun violence, is well known. But it may come as a surprise that the NRA influences U.S. foreign policy as well — specifically, the implementation of international treaties.

Most guns used in armed conflicts aren’t manufactured in the combat zones where they end up. They are made in more developed countries and then shipped elsewhere. This process is possible because of a lack of global cooperation in regulating arms shipments. As Oxfam has pointed out, there are more international laws governing the trade of bananas than governing guns. Governments simply don’t know when guns are being sold, where they’re going or how they’re going to be used.
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So, cool - the friend of my enemy's enemy is my...

Er...

Whatever, ...happy to be characterized as out of alignment with the editorial element of AlGoreJazeera.

Todd.
 
Question: who was "Scott Beauchamp's" last employer? Was he one of the many roaches that scattered when the NY Times shut down the Gun Report? Was he with the (hizzonuh) The Mayor's Office? The Brady's?

I honestly have no idea. But these anti-gun writers seem so consistently inbred with the big-money astroturfers I almost expect it anymore.

FWIW, this is American Al-Jazeera, which from what I gather is the latest in a series of failed exploits by left-leaning political players (like Air America, etc. before it) to create a pet media outlet they can freely influence. Discount it all you want, they have resources and are basically a clearinghouse for issues a lot of people care about --not at all unlike any major "left" media outlet.

In summary, I'm not surprised to see this story, nor its content in the least. What would surprise me is if the article was translated and blow out internationally, which I doubt since niche American politics is probably as interesting to folks elsewhere as their niche issues are here.

TCB
 
barnbwt said:
FWIW, this is American Al-Jazeera, which from what I gather is the latest in a series of failed exploits by left-leaning political players (like Air America, etc. before it) to create a pet media outlet they can freely influence. Discount it all you want, they have resources and are basically a clearinghouse for issues a lot of people care about --not at all unlike any major "left" media outlet.
TCB
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The unholy spawn of AlGore's "Current TV" and A J.

Todd.
 
Al Jazeera is a propaganda machine designed to vilify the United States and everything it stands for; the topic of guns merely scratches the surface.
 
I couldn't be paid to watch, listen to, or read any of the crap spewed by Al Jazeera. The fact they are anti-NRA is hardly a shocker.
 
Oh yeah, I forgot about Current TV (same as everyone else)

I must say I'm a bit appalled by the flagrant jingoism displayed in the thread so far. Al Jazeera aren't vampires, guys; they won't turn you into terrorists just for reading a piece on legitimate abuses by "our" side once in a while. Or for reading about the day's events in a part of the world not your own. It's not like you'll read half the info their selection-biased sources offer in any of our selection-biased outlets, and it's not like failing to read from either actually changes what has or has not transpired.

Al-Jazeera is typically no more anti-American than the BBC (which is mostly to say they are not Pro-American) with an obvious and understandable bias toward perspectives that are friendly toward their viewership. Same as our media outlets. Keep in mind that Al-Jazeera is not watched by the illiterate, cave-dwelling masses aligned against us, nor those who dare not look beyond their local domineering repressive cultures; it's the news outlet for world events watched by those in the cities, who are as friendly toward our interests as anyone can be expected to be over there.

TCB
 
by naming the NRA by name, the NRA sells more subscriptions and make more money, its advertising, the NRA doesnt stand in the way of international gun bills, the constitution does.. im actually getting pretty sick and tired of the NRA wedging themselves in and taking credit for things our constitution is responsible for as if they are synonymous and the authority on the second amendment... the time of corporations and fudds representing the american gun owners is over.. we're getting back to the more militant routes of the second amendment and theres nothing the NRA, al jazeera, or any dirty politician will do about it
 
Um...
So... you know that the channel was established by buying Al Gore's Current TV?
As for their coverage, um, consider, the BETTER coverage of the US comes from one of the main sites, NOT America
too many employed there with agenda's, as for the main, they actually do some damn good coverage, better than you'll find in most US news
 
Are you seriously tin-foiling that the NRA concocted this AJ story? :scrutiny:

TCB
 
no, im saying anyone who makes nearly as much money they do with promises they refuse to fulfil are simply not to be trusted as being on your side.. more money has been spent on lapierres paycheck in a single year than any of the recent pro-gun court victories over the last few years and thats a problem, they spend MORE on advertising that they're defending your rights than they spend actually defending them which tells me they are more interested in the image of being protectors than actually protecting anything
 
justin22885 said:
no, im saying anyone who makes nearly as much money they do with promises they refuse to fulfil are simply not to be trusted as being on your side.. more money has been spent on lapierres paycheck in a single year than any of the recent pro-gun court victories over the last few years and thats a problem, they spend MORE on advertising that they're defending your rights than they spend actually defending them which tells me they are more interested in the image of being protectors than actually protecting anything
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You have numbers to back that claim up or did you just pull it from your behind?
 
Whats this? The terrorist sympathizer, Al Gore operated, Obama supporting reporting network is opposed to armed citizens and the NRA? I'm shocked!
 
Justin needs a lesson in corporate entities. Subscripitions are free with a paid membership. You cannot buy one. NRA Membership services is one corporate entity. NRA Institiute for Legislative Action is a separate corporate entity. NRA Political Victory Fund is separate corporate entity. NRA Legal Defense Fund is a separate corporate entity. NRA competitions, all separate. NRA Eddie Eagle and other safety programs programs - separate, NRA Training courses - all separate, and the list goes on and on and on. These are all separate entities, and funds from one entity cannot be transferred to another entity, and Wayne L. does not carry an NRA checkbook for an NRA master fund, and is governed by the NRA Board of Directors. I don't know what Wayne's salary is, but I'm sure it's transparent and easy to find, as this is not a government agency.
 
You guys are arguing the NRA, which is exactly what Al Jazeera wanted. Win for them.

Saying the NRA opposes gun control overseas is specious. Our Government policies are quite clear who gets to ship what to which country. The writer is spewing vague and uninformed propaganda.

And blaming the NRA for it is a joke, too. Which firearms come up FIRST in any "people's liberation" movement? The AK, duh. And in the mid east plenty of HK clones from the Paki factory.

If someone wants more gun control in third world countries get all the AK plants to shut down in the former Soviet bloc nations. Not happening. It's a bogus argument and seems to have the added benefit of duping some of us into a side argument over the NRA.

Be glad WE do try to influence politics nationally. WE are a force to be reckoned with, and WE do have a voice in protecting our Rights. Some of us don't have to completely agree with every step they take, ok. It's a free country. Using that as an excuse to not participate, tho, is just as lame as what they claim.

It's the 55% of voters who don't even bother who are a drag on getting things changed. Push comes to shove they are just the political refugees who get used and abused because they won't stand up for themselves. Nobody to blame but themselves.
 
Just on that last comment from TimSr, U.S. Federal Government salary scales and locality pay adjustments are publicly available:

http://www.opm.gov/policy-data-oversight/pay-leave/salaries-wages/2015/general-schedule/

and you can even look up individual employees here:

http://www.fedsdatacenter.com/federal-pay-rates/

Say what you want about the U.S. Federal Government, and many in this group do, often offensively, but you certainly can't fault them for a lack of transparency.

PS--And to the OP who wants to fault Al Jazeera for ignorance about the NRA, I can't speak to the value of their news coverage as I don't watch it. Having lived in (not just visited) in nine different countries in my life, two of them in the Arab and Muslim world, I can say that the ignorance displayed by most American media about that part of the world, or Islam as a religion, is simply staggering, so I am willing to cut Al Jazeera a little slack on the NRA.
 
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Say what you want about the U.S. Federal Government, and many in this group do, often offensively, but you certainly can't fault them for a lack of transparency.
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Where they choose to be transparent.

Sometimes aggressive "Devil's Advocacy" can be equally or even more off-putting. Looking for reasons for the oh-so-common self loathing of "us" and "we" grows very tiresome.

I figure a perspective is just that - a perspective. It can be skewed as is the one listed in the OP but it is sometimes important to be aware of these perspectives otherwise we run the risk of so much "preaching to the choir" among ourselves.



AJ is not neutral, is not a friend of American values and should generally never be apologized for even in comparison to say an American media outlet let alone BBC - a governmental function of a nation we fought against twice... later alliances not withstanding.

Todd.
 
I'm sorry, but the assertion that AJ is no more anti-US than the BBC just isn't true.

While I can't comment on what they write, I'm very familiar with what they broadcast. I watch BBC news all day. Not BBC America, mind you, I mean the actual BBC - every day; I'm watching it right now, in fact. I also watch RT.com and Al Jazeera.

Maybe what Al Jazeera America broadcasts has been watered down to make it more palatable to a US audience, but what they stream to their international audience is far more anti-American than any other english-speaking news outlet.

Also, the idea that a news network with a 96% muslim (global) viewership isn't more anti-American than the BBC is just silly.

Demographics breakdown - http://www.allied-media.com/aljazeera/JAZdemog.html
 
Tirod said:
You guys are arguing the NRA, which is exactly what Al Jazeera wanted. Win for them.

Saying the NRA opposes gun control overseas is specious. Our Government policies are quite clear who gets to ship what to which country. The writer is spewing vague and uninformed propaganda.

And blaming the NRA for it is a joke, too. Which firearms come up FIRST in any "people's liberation" movement? The AK, duh. And in the mid east plenty of HK clones from the Paki factory.

If someone wants more gun control in third world countries get all the AK plants to shut down in the former Soviet bloc nations. Not happening. It's a bogus argument and seems to have the added benefit of duping some of us into a side argument over the NRA.

Be glad WE do try to influence politics nationally. WE are a force to be reckoned with, and WE do have a voice in protecting our Rights. Some of us don't have to completely agree with every step they take, ok. It's a free country. Using that as an excuse to not participate, tho, is just as lame as what they claim.

It's the 55% of voters who don't even bother who are a drag on getting things changed. Push comes to shove they are just the political refugees who get used and abused because they won't stand up for themselves. Nobody to blame but themselves.
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I've not always agreed with Tirod on some of his opinions, but the man couldn't be more correct than he is here. This post pretty much covers everything that needs to be addressed.
 
I couldn't care less about what the 'international community' thinks about the NRA and our 2A rights. To say that the NRA isn't an idealistic think tank, but simply a lobbying group means nothing to me. I'm glad it lobbies for our rights, and that it is made up of members who are regular citizens. And I also don't care that it gets $ from firearms manufacturers. I would certainly HOPE that our firearms manufacturers are all for the 2A.

There are simply people out there who can't stand the fact that we have a 2A. The fact that we, as citizens, have to continue to fight to keep that right, whether it's by our individual actions politically, or via an organization like the NRA (and others) simply underscores the fact that our right to keep and bear arms is unique in the world, and many in the world don't like that.
 
As Oxfam has pointed out, there are more international laws governing the trade of bananas than governing guns. Governments simply don’t know when guns are being sold, where they’re going or how they’re going to be used.
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As it should be.

Tuckerdog1
 
It's easier to paint the faceless corporation in a bad light than the millions of members and law abiding gun owners it represents.
 
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