Seems logical, maybe?

[Eutycus]

I have been keeping 2 different types if ammo in a speed loader. Got to looking at it and reading about Jerry Miculek and how fast he reloads. Would a person gain any advantage in speed , even if it's a 1/10th or 1/100th of a second, in using conical (tapered) bullets? It would be kind of like a funnel with the "pointy" bullets as opposed to a flat one. Or it would be so minute as to not even give it a second thought.

 

[Eutycus]

Kind of like beveling the well of an auto so the magazine goes in easier. Does it really speed things up?

 

[JohnKSa]

Since you mentioned Jerry, what he would do is go to the range and test it to see if it is faster and what the difference is if it is. I would think that the easier the rounds go in, the faster everything is going to be.

With speedloaders, another big factor is how much the rounds can wobble around. Some is ok, but if there's too much, it's harder to get them all lined up at once.

 

[Eutycus]

I've only owned 1 brand of Speedloader so far and that's a HKS.And I think that's the brand we carried back in prison transportation too. Do they all "wobble" like that?

 

[JohnKSa]

I like the Safariland Comp II. It holds the rounds pretty firmly and also has a sort of auto-release for the rounds that works when the speedloader bottoms out against the cylinder.

Some people may like the rounds to have more play and could prefer the HKS, but it always seemed to be less than ideal to me.

The Comp II release takes a bit of learning curve if you're used to the HKS loaders since you hold the Comp II by the body and not by the knob on the back during the reload. The knob is only used for loading rounds into the speedloader.

 

[armoredman]

Doesn't Jerry use moon clips?

 

[Show Me]

I have been keeping 2 different types if ammo in a speed loader. Got to looking at it and reading about Jerry Miculek and how fast he reloads. Would a person gain any advantage in speed , even if it's a 1/10th or 1/100th of a second, in using conical (tapered) bullets? It would be kind of like a funnel with the "pointy" bullets as opposed to a flat one. Or it would be so minute as to not evenView attachment 1208382give it a second thought.

Did you mention pointy

 

[drobs]

I would think that your accuracy would be effected negatively by using different bullet styes in the same cylinder.

 

[Show Me]

I would think that your accuracy would be effected negatively by using different bullet styes in the same cylinder.

Too much coffee would have more effect . Depends how big the target is. Right.

 

[Eutycus]

I would imagine flat bullets like wadcutters or semi-wadcutters would be a little harder to load under duress .But then who keeps those in a speed loader? When the adrenaline is pumping and you're excited and speed is needed I don't imagine you'd be reaching for those anyway. As far as accuracy goes, anyone who is "proficient" with a handgun should be able to hit a man sized target with almost any round (beside shot shells, maybe) you happen to have.

 

[jmorris]

No one looking for high speed would use those HKS speed loaders. SL comp II or III is a better choice but you won't keep up or beat Jerry with them.

With the moon clip guns you open the cylinder, dump the empty moon clip and "throw" the fresh one in. If you try and "put" them in, things begin to slow down.

Watch that reload closely.

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and flat bullets are avoided.

 

[Show Me]

I would imagine flat bullets like wadcutters or semi-wadcutters would be a little harder to load under duress .But then who keeps those in a speed loader? When the adrenaline is pumping and you're excited and speed is needed I don't imagine you'd be reaching for those anyway. As far as accuracy goes, anyone who is "proficient" with a handgun should be able to hit a man sized target with almost any round (beside shot shells, maybe) you happen to have.

Don't imagine, try it. Very educational. Then have someone yelling at you and nudging your shoulder.
Speed loader practice isn't easy for me.
I use FTX because they feed so smooth in a 92 and Ruger handguns. Bought 10 box's on mark down . I never shorten the brass either.
Only cast I make that works is my RN 158's.
XTP's are just OK. Wide nose or wadcutters were immediately abandoned. But educational. Experimenting is what my hobby is all about.

 

[Eutycus]

I'm sorry if I gave the impression that I wanted to be like Jerry Miculek by imitating him. I am well aware of the moon clips that he uses.It was his videos that implanted "the need for speed".His style is not my style. If I tried throwing reloads into the mouth of cylinder, the shells would be all over the ground. I was merely asking if "pointy" bullets would speed things up a little.

 

[JohnKSa]

Doesn't Jerry use moon clips?

I've seen videos of him shooting lots of different handguns with lots of different methods. I believe when he competes with a revolver, he uses moon clips, but I've seen him train with loose rounds and revolvers. Can't recall if I've ever seen him using speedloaders in a video.

 

[Eutycus]

Forget about Jerry for a moment. This thread is about pointy bullets VS flat nosed bullets in a speedloader.It has absolutely nothing to do with His fast reloading ability.His name came up in a reference to speed.

 

[trackskippy]

Wadcutters are always going to be an issue, and a "sloppy" speedloader, like the HKS, only makes them that much worse.

FMJ "Ball" type bullets will be your best choice, and a somewhat ball, or more conical profile, are usually pretty good as well, and don't have to have a "point" on them to work well.

I mostly use LSWC's with my revolvers, and I use them with my speedloaders, both the Safariland and HKS, and don't usually have any issues (the HKS can be a bit "fiddly" sometimes because of how they are). Even with the sharp, wadcutter edge, the "cone" on top of the wadcutter gets them quickly oriented into the chambers, and they pretty much go right in.

I agree with John, the Safariland Comp II's are the better choice if you have the choice. They keep the rounds fixed in place, with very little movement, and the release is more natural. They don't have the slop in the rounds that the HKS loaders have, and you push down on the loader to release the rounds. Unfortunately, they are limited in what they offer.

 

[Jeff62]

Back in the dark ages of the early eighties we found that the fumble factor in both Safariland and HKS loaders was lessened by carrying pointy .38’s rather than longer .357 rounds.
A12 round loop to the right of your duty belt buckle loaded with magnum Winchester Silver Tips, because they look very cool.
To the left two speed loaders with shorter 38’s.
So, pointy and shortish for speed loaders being speedy.

 

[Eutycus]

So what does one do with a used speedloader? If we are to better ourselves, my HKS Speedloader needs to be replaced by a Safariland. Which may or may not happen by the way.

 

[Mauser lover]

I’ve got some .38/.357 HKS speedloaders, and they seem to hold everything good and tight. Also have the Safariland ones… somewhere. They all got relegated to a box in the back somewhere when I realized that I could probably win the local USPSA match revolver division every time, but only because nobody else showed up.

Anyway, I don’t know if the HKS loaders loosen up as they wear out, or something else, but you can practice with either version and get fairly fast. Yes, Safariland is probably going to be slightly faster, but they’re so bulky!

That’s also irrelevant, since the question is not about HKS vs Safariland. The question about pointy vs blunt bullets will be the same for either. Theoretically, the pointier the better. I couldn’t tell any practical difference between bullets like what’s shown in the OP. Full wadcutters were awful, though! If semi wadcutters are what you want to shoot, and you are having issues with them hanging up, sure! Try putting two pointy ones in there. If it still doesn’t work, try all pointy ones. The great thing about this question is that you can try a hundred times without expending any ammunition. They look like handloads, and if that’s correct, you should be able to get them regulated to the same point of aim at a chosen distance.

 

[Eutycus]

I'd say then use all pointy bullets in the speed loader and practice.The original question in a round about way was do you actually gain any speed by using "pointy" bullets?

 

[DT Guy]

I'm not Jerry-not even close-but when I was shooting revolvers in IDPA I found that switching to RN reloads from my usual SWC's was a big help with the Safariland Comp III's I was using.

I suspect Jerry might not be slowed down, but for mere mortals I think a RN helps reloading in an objective way.

Larry

 

[CraigC]

I think it makes a big difference, DA or SA. Round nosed bullets with no shoulder are always easier to land in the chamber.

 

[jmr40]

In my very limited experience RN or pointed bullets in a speed loader USUALLY load faster. Most of the time it didn't make any difference. But the flat nose bullets were more likely to hang up and slow down the process. It might only happen once in every 4-5 reloads. I also think flat nose bullets are more effective as a SD round. But for punching holes in paper, it doesn't matter.

 

[Jim Watson]

I have the impression that the elliptical nose of factory .38s loads smoother than the hemispherical nosed mold most common in bulk cast or coated bullets. I wish somebody made the Lyman 358311 in quantity. My last purchase was of a NLG coated with about that nose shape and they do well.

Many years ago, we shot some of the 356402 9mm truncated cones in .38s. They cast large enough to lubrisize at .357" and loaded easier than wadcutters. They had little recoil and were accurate enough at 7 and 15 yards but had the curse of shooting away from wadcutters and semiwadcutters in windage. Not worth fooling with.

I tried moon clips in .38s but the thin clips and long wobbly cartridges were tricky to handle. I now see race revolvers being shot with .38 Short Colt for easier loading and ejection.

I like my M25 .45 but a friend was hot on 10mm and got a M610. It was not heavily chamfered and the smaller caliber left more flat space between the chambers. That in conjunction with the usual flat pointed 10mm bullet tended to slow his reloads.

 

[JohnKSa]

It was not heavily chamfered...

Chamfering is another factor that can make loading easier, and therefore, perhaps, a little faster.