Seems time for Ruger to reintroduce the 44 Mag carbine
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Carl N. Brown
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Ruger 10/22 needs his big brother back.
zaitcev
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I heard bad things about DE magazines. The magazine of Coonan 357 is reportedly more reliable, but it's a single stack and its capacity is limited by design.
I have a half dozen DE magazines and have never had a problem with 44map or 50ae. I don't own a 357 mag DE so I have never tried 357 DE magazines.
The DE owners I talk to have only complained about aftermarket DE magazines and really really old gen 1 DE magazines in newer DE's. I have only purchased OEM DE magazines.
Charlie98
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Personally, I think every version of every firearm made needs to be made in .41MAG, simply because I want one, as the .41 is my big bore cartridge of choice. My wants and desires would quickly bankrupt any firearm manufacturer...
Is there a market for the Ruger .44 auto? Probably. Is it big enough to warrant tooling up for it? No. What would likely happen is... say Ruger tools up and kicks a run out the door. The MSRP will likely chase away half of the people who said they would want one. By the time the other half got to the store to look at one, half of them would probably pass and spend their money on something else... either cheaper, or more useful for the money... leaving the very few people who want a niche firearm and are willing to pay for it. It's one of the reasons I don't own a Thompson... I would love to have one, but not only are they expensive, but they are an incredible niche firearm, even given that I love the .45ACP and want a PCC in it.
If Ruger was to resurrect a PCC from days past, it would likely be in the form of a Marlin Camp Carbine... first in 9mm, maybe .40 or .45, but, unfortunately, not in 10mm. It would not be in .44MAG...
Just some general thoughts on Ruger's .44 Carbine....I've known friends who've had them, hunted them hard here in KY, PA as well as the heavy forested thickets of northern ID and WA. All of those experienced guys really liked the little gun, found it handy in tight cover not to mention the knock down power of that 240 gr bullet.
t was and continues to be, a great brush gun...but from an economic standpoint nowadays , it just won't sell in the numbers that make sense to a manufacturer. And that's a shame as most deer...I'd suggest 90% but could be wrong...are killed at ranges of 100 yds or less, for sure east of the Mississippi and maybe out west as well.
YMMv and I respect that. Best regards, Rod
t was and continues to be, a great brush gun...but from an economic standpoint nowadays , it just won't sell in the numbers that make sense to a manufacturer. And that's a shame as most deer...I'd suggest 90% but could be wrong...are killed at ranges of 100 yds or less, for sure east of the Mississippi and maybe out west as well.
YMMv and I respect that. Best regards, Rod
Yep...Charlie, we continue to agree...so I'll settle for my 1894 Marlin in that very useful, but often forgotten caliber...RodPersonally, I think every version of every firearm made needs to be made in .41MAG, simply because I want one, as the .41 is my big bore cartridge of choice. My wants and desires would quickly bankrupt any firearm manufacturer...
.308 Norma
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Yep, and because the market for the Bisley .44 Special (Ruger® New Model Blackhawk® Bisley™ Single-Action Revolver Model 5249) that I've had on order for over a year now is probably not "big enough," I'm probably never going to see it. This is the first time that I can remember that I've been disappointed with the Ruger company. I don't understand why they list this revolver in their catalog if they're never going to build it. Or am I wrong - has anyone seen one of these things yet?
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Yes, I'm "out West", and I've only shot one deer, out of many, over 100 yards. Most well within 100 yards. My .44 Carbine served me well, but then I fell in love with black powder.
sevt_chevelle
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Last month went to a little gun show, saw 4 Ruger 44 auto carbines all tube feed all 1100 and above. I've only seen 2 in the past 15 yrs and one is mine.
I would think with a number of states requiring a straight walled cartridge, people not interested in the AR platform, that those 44 autos would sell.
I really do enjoy my little Ruger, but I'm getting afraid of shooting it cause it's unreplaceable with super hard to find parts.
I would think with a number of states requiring a straight walled cartridge, people not interested in the AR platform, that those 44 autos would sell.
I really do enjoy my little Ruger, but I'm getting afraid of shooting it cause it's unreplaceable with super hard to find parts.
Charlie98
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Yep, and because the market for the Bisley .44 Special (Ruger® New Model Blackhawk® Bisley™ Single-Action Revolver Model 5249) that I've had on order for over a year now is probably not "big enough," I'm probably never going to see it. This is the first time that I can remember that I've been disappointed with the Ruger company. I don't understand why they list this revolver in their catalog if they're never going to build it. Or am I wrong - has anyone seen one of these things yet?
Yes, they will eventually make them.
I was on the hunt for many years, looking for ANY Blackhawk or Bisley in .41MAG. I even wrote Ruger (back in the old 'pen to paper' days...) and they wrote back that production for them was not slated, but that, eventually, they would be slotted. This was during the time of the assault weapon ban... or just prior to... and they were busy making semi-auto pistols. And, yes... eventually... they were produced, including my Unobtanium stainless .41 Bisley 5.5" (that was a complete piece of junk, but that is a whole 'nuther story.) If they cataloged it, they will... eventually... make them. I think the Lipsey's .44SPC Flattops proved they are a viable pistol.
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If you don't shoot it....isn't that the same as not shooting it, because it has a broken part?
Wow, had no idea they are going for that, but I guess that kind of the "new normal". ? I haven't been able to get mine to feed reliably lately. It used to function with Remington ammo, and my reload with the 265 grain Hornady. However, I don't want to buy any commercial ammo, and I can't find the 265's anymore.
Charlie98
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I love my Marlin .41... and I'm hoping that Ruger will see the light one day and re-release the Marlin C or FG in .41. Ruger being who they are, they could make their version of the shorty, stainless 1894's... and I'd bet they'd sell every one of them, pretty much in any chambering, including .41MAG and .44MAG. For that matter... .44SPC.
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I would guess that the rifle in .41 would sell like crazy at first, to the true .41 fans, but then sales would drop off fast. ? Just guessing the younger generations would see no reason to go .41 instead of .44mag. I think I could hear "well .44mag is more available", or something like that. Or not. ?
Charlie98
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Go on GunBroker and pull up '41 magnum'
There is a very solid base of .41 shooters that are looking for .41 firearms... including lever-actions. Considering the original OP's question... yes, .41 shooters are a very, very niche market, much like... circling back full circle... .44MAG autoloader shooters.
There is a funny story to that... as a .41 shooter meself. When you go to sell a .41, it's 'oddball,' or 'an orphan,' or 'a forty-what?' But when you are looking for a .41... all of a sudden they are 'RARE!!!' or 'collectable,' or 'limited production!'
luv2safari
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That pretty much nails it, and I'm a 41Mag lover.
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Kind of like a cord or wood? A seller's cord is 3/4 of a cord, the buyer wants a cord and a half. !!!There is a funny story to that... as a .41 shooter meself. When you go to sell a .41, it's 'oddball,' or 'an orphan,' or 'a forty-what?' But when you are looking for a .41... all of a sudden they are 'RARE!!!' or 'collectable,' or 'limited production!'
CraigC
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The problem with that gun is that it's a Lipsey's exclusive. With Lipsey's, it's not first come, first served. No sir. The dealers that buy the most guns get first priority. So if you've ordered from a dealer low on that totem pole, you're in for a long wait. It's the reason why I had the first two .454 and .480 Bisleys on order for eight months and never got one. I knew these guns were coming six months before they were announced and still couldn't get one.Yep, and because the market for the Bisley .44 Special (Ruger® New Model Blackhawk® Bisley™ Single-Action Revolver Model 5249) that I've had on order for over a year now is probably not "big enough," I'm probably never going to see it. This is the first time that I can remember that I've been disappointed with the Ruger company. I don't understand why they list this revolver in their catalog if they're never going to build it. Or am I wrong - has anyone seen one of these things yet?
codytrucker
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This is a real deal . When Lipsey's announced the .44 special flattops , I ordered a 5 1/2 inch blued one at my local dealer in Cody Wy and started waiting . Then one day I was down in northern Colo. with some time to kill , so I went into a gun store , just to browse . Well , they had one of the Lipsey .44s that i had ordered there in the case .I called my guy up in Cody and asked if mine had come in , or he had heard anything . We decided to buy this one and had it shipped to Cody so I could be sure I got one. The one I ordered showed up something like three months later ! I don't know how many they make a day but you would think that with a limited run of 500 each model they would all ship within a week or so of each other !.
.308 Norma
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Thanks, CraigC. I did know the Ruger Bisley I ordered is a Lipsey's exclusive. What I didn't know was that Lipsey's is not a first come, first served type of business.
The dealer I ordered the revolver from is in Idaho Falls (75-80 miles from here), and I think they sell about as many guns as any dealer on this side of the state. However, when I ordered the gun, the owner told me, "I might not be able to get this for you for 6 months, maybe a year, maybe never."
So, what do you think? Do you think I should give up and get my $100 deposit back? The dealer offered to give it back to me last month (December) because it had been a year since I ordered the gun. I didn't take it though. I was still hoping, but that hope is dwindling down with each passing day.
CraigC
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If you can find one online at a reasonable price, I think that's your best bet.Thanks, CraigC. I did know the Ruger Bisley I ordered is a Lipsey's exclusive. What I didn't know was that Lipsey's is not a first come, first served type of business.
The dealer I ordered the revolver from is in Idaho Falls (75-80 miles from here), and I think they sell about as many guns as any dealer on this side of the state. However, when I ordered the gun, the owner told me, "I might not be able to get this for you for 6 months, maybe a year, maybe never."
So, what do you think? Do you think I should give up and get my $100 deposit back? The dealer offered to give it back to me last month (December) because it had been a year since I ordered the gun. I didn't take it though. I was still hoping, but that hope is dwindling down with each passing day.
I got one about three years ago. Decided that's what I wanted, went to my little LGS in the middle of nowhere VT, ordered it and the dealer decided he should have a couple for inventory, so he got three. There were a bunch on the net at that time also. I gave $700 OTD. Not to rub it in, but it was a very, very good choice on my part.Thanks, CraigC. I did know the Ruger Bisley I ordered is a Lipsey's exclusive. What I didn't know was that Lipsey's is not a first come, first served type of business.
The dealer I ordered the revolver from is in Idaho Falls (75-80 miles from here), and I think they sell about as many guns as any dealer on this side of the state. However, when I ordered the gun, the owner told me, "I might not be able to get this for you for 6 months, maybe a year, maybe never."
So, what do you think? Do you think I should give up and get my $100 deposit back? The dealer offered to give it back to me last month (December) because it had been a year since I ordered the gun. I didn't take it though. I was still hoping, but that hope is dwindling down with each passing day.
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I emailed them years ago to do a dual tube version, like Kel Tec does with KSG's, to double the capacity. Also, to offer it in .357 Mag.
.44 is too much for most people to be willing to buy, but there are far more owners of .38 and .357 revolvers that offer them a semi auto rifle in the .357 and make it run .38 too and people would buy. Ammo being cheaper than .44 Mag doesn't hurt either.
.44 is too much for most people to be willing to buy, but there are far more owners of .38 and .357 revolvers that offer them a semi auto rifle in the .357 and make it run .38 too and people would buy. Ammo being cheaper than .44 Mag doesn't hurt either.
