Selling to FFL in another state

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I've got a rifle for sale here in Illinois. A guy an hour north of me in Wisconsin would like to buy it. He is an FFL.

Does he just need to put it in his records and give me a receipt, or is it more complicated than that?
 
There is a little more than just shipping it and collecting money. Short answer is verify FFL and use shipper that will ship it. I use UPS and I have to take it to hub to ship. FFL info must be on label. This is how it works where I live so ymmv.
 
Shipping could be done by you through the USPS if you don't feel like driving two hours. Just include a copy of his FFL in the box.
 
Shipping could be done by you through the USPS if you don't feel like driving two hours. Just include a copy of his FFL in the box.
OP is selling to a licensed dealer. Undoubtedly that dealer already has plenty of copies of his own FFL.;)
When shipping to a dealer the seller should include the sellers drivers license. It makes it easy for the dealer to record the transferors info as required by law.

Several years ago I received a firearm with five documents in the box:
1. FFL for the dealer who shipped for the seller......this IS helpful.
2. The sellers drivers license copy......useless and not needed.
3. A "packing slip" with the firearm manufacturer/model/serial#/ caliber......useless and not needed, I'll read it straight off the gun.
4. An invoice from the dealer to the seller for the cost of shipping......again useless, I don't care how much the seller paid his dealer.
5. A copy of my FFL.......but why? I have my own FFL copies, don't need anyone sending me more.

Not anywhere in the box was the buyers name or contact info.:cuss: I'm supposed to guess who gets the gun.
 
Annnnnddd question number 2 on an S&W Model 18-3 I've got for sale.

Prospective bidder says the serial number 1K7771 corresponds to a 1971 mfg date and wants to know if I can send it right to him since he's got a C&R FFL?
 
Annnnnddd question number 2 on an S&W Model 18-3 I've got for sale.

Prospective bidder says the serial number 1K7771 corresponds to a 1971 mfg date and wants to know if I can send it right to him since he's got a C&R FFL?
I recommend verifying that the serial# is indeed that of a revolver manufactured fifty years ago. I believe the best source is The Standard Catalog of S&W by Supica and Nahas.

Understand that while an 03FFL "Collector of Curios & Relics" allows the licensee to receive such firearms, some states do not allow them to receive under state law.
Further, to ship directly to that collector, you'll have to use UPS Next Day and that ain't cheap. If he says to mail it USPS he's an idiot, dont do it.
 
I recommend verifying that the serial# is indeed that of a revolver manufactured fifty years ago. I believe the best source is The Standard Catalog of S&W by Supica and Nahas.

Understand that while an 03FFL "Collector of Curios & Relics" allows the licensee to receive such firearms, some states do not allow them to receive under state law.
Further, to ship directly to that collector, you'll have to use UPS Next Day and that ain't cheap. If he says to mail it USPS he's an idiot, dont do it.
Pardon me for asking a question I could just Google, but I figure you probably have a definitive answer. Is a C&R FFL holder allowed to ship a handgun vis USPS or is that only reserved for "real" FFLs?
 
Pardon me for asking a question I could just Google, but I figure you probably have a definitive answer. Is a C&R FFL holder allowed to ship a handgun vis USPS or is that only reserved for "real" FFLs?
Only licensed dealers, manufacturers, importers and LE on official business.
See https://pe.usps.com/text/pub52/pub5...XP3C8S9V*MTYzOTE4NzAyOS4xLjEuMTYzOTE4NzA1Ni4w

432 Mailability
432.1 General
Mailers must comply with the Gun Control Act of 1968, all of the provisions of postal law in 18 U.S.C. 1715, and all other all federal and state regulations and local ordinances affecting the movement of firearms. The following also applies:

The Postal Service may require the mailer to open parcels containing firearms or air guns or give written certification that the weapon is unloaded and not concealable.
Short-barreled rifles or shotguns that can be concealed on the person are nonmailable.
No markings of any kind that indicate the nature of the contents may be placed on the outside wrapper or container of any mailpiece containing firearms.
Mailable matter must be properly and securely packaged within the general packaging requirements in DMM 601.1-7.
Except for shipments between licensed dealers, manufacturers, or importers, all regulated firearms must be mailed using a USPS product or Extra Service that provides tracking and signature capture at delivery.
432.2 Handguns
Handguns and other firearms capable of being concealed on the person are nonmailable unless mailed between the parties listed in this section, after the filing of an affidavit or statement described in 432.22 or 432.24, and are subject to the following:

Firearms meeting the definition of a handgun under 431.2 and the definition of curios or relics under 27 CFR 478.11 may be mailed between curio and relic collectors only when those firearms also meet the definition of an antique firearm under 431.3.
Firearms meeting the definition of a handgun under 431.2, which are certified by the curator of a municipal, state, or federal museum that exhibits firearms to be curios or relics of museum interest, may be accepted for mailing between governmental museums without regard to the restrictions provided for handguns in 432.21 through 432.24 and Exhibit 432.25.
Air guns (see 431.6) that do not fall within the definition of firearms under 431.1 and are capable of being concealed on a person are mailable, but must include Adult Signature service under DMM 503.8. Mailers must comply with all applicable state and local regulations.
Parts of handguns are mailable, except for handgun frames, receivers or other parts or components regulated under Chapter 44, Title 18, U.S.C.
Mailers are also subject to applicable restrictions by governments of a state, territory, or district.
432.21 Authorized Persons
Subject to 432.22, handguns may be mailed by a licensed manufacturer of firearms, a licensed dealer of firearms, a licensed importer of firearms, or an authorized agent of the federal government or the government of a state, territory, or district, only when addressed to a person in one of the following categories for use in the person’s official duties, and upon filing the required affidavit or certificate:

Officers of the Army, Coast Guard, Air Force, Navy, Marine Corps, or Organized Reserve Corps.
Officers of the National Guard or militia of a state, territory, or district.
Officers of the United States or of a state, territory, or district, whose official duty is to serve warrants of arrest or commitment.
USPS employees authorized by the Chief Postal Inspector.
Officers and employees of enforcement agencies of the United States.
Watchmen engaged in guarding the property of the United States, a state, territory, or district.
Purchasing agent or other designated member of agencies employing officers and employees included in 432.21c through e.
432.22 Affidavit of Addressee
Any person proposing to mail a handgun under 432.21 must file with the Postmaster, at the time of mailing, an affidavit signed by the addressee setting forth that the addressee is qualified to receive the firearm under a particular category of 432.21a through 432.21g, and that the firearm is intended for the addressee’s official use. The affidavit must also bear a certificate stating that the firearm is for the official duty use of the addressee, signed by one of the following, as appropriate:

For officers of Armed Forces, by the commanding officer.
For officers and employees of enforcement agencies, by the head of the agency employing the addressee to perform the official duty with which the firearm is to be used.
For watchmen, by the chief clerk of the department, bureau, or independent branch of the government of the United States, the state, the territory, or the district by which the watchman is employed.
For the purchasing agent or other designated member of enforcement agencies, by the head of such agency, that the firearm is to be used by an officer or employee included in 432.21c through 432.21e.
432.23 Manufacturers, Dealers, and Importers
Handguns may also be mailed between licensed manufacturers of firearms, licensed dealers of firearms, and licensed importers of firearms in customary trade shipments, or for repairing or replacing parts.

432.24 Certificate of Manufacturers, Dealers, and Importers
A federal firearms licensee manufacturer, dealer, or importer need not file the affidavit under 432.22, but must file with the Postmaster a statement on PS Form 1508, Statement by Shipper of Firearms, signed by the mailer that he or she is a licensed manufacturer, dealer, or importer of firearms. The mailer must also state that the parcels containing handguns, or parts and components of handguns under 432.2d, are being mailed in customary trade shipments or contain such articles for repairing or replacing parts, and that to the best of their knowledge the addressees are licensed manufacturers, dealers, or importers of firearms. Registered Mail service is recommended.

Postmasters may forward an unsatisfactory mailer statement to the PCSC for a ruling.
 
Pardon me for asking a question I could just Google, but I figure you probably have a definitive answer. Is a C&R FFL holder allowed to ship a handgun vis USPS or is that only reserved for "real" FFLs?
As said, you can't mail it, AND, the buyer cannot receive it on the mail unless he is a dealer/manufacturer. So, while my local gun shop may charge $10 plus postage to ship handguns, that's still not a viable method to send to an 03FFL.
 
I use "shipmygun.com" which is a subsidiary of BudsGuns. Its always cheaper than paying regular
 
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