Semi auto rifle question.

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I am in the market for a semi auto rifle for plinking purposes. I had an sks but it just didnt do it for me. I would like to stay away from the 7.62x39 cartridge and i dont really have enough money for an ar 15. Does anyone have any suggestions on what might be a good choice for me. I already have a 22 semi and want something a little bigger.
 
What is your budget?

What about the SKS didn't do it for you?

.223 Saigas are $290. AKs are in the $400-$700 (with bells & whistles) range. Kel-Tecs are in the $500 range.
 
im not really sure what it was about the sks that i didnt like, but there was something. If i can avoid it id rather not spend more then say 600 dollars. I was looking at a kel tec the other day but the guy at the gunstore advised me to stay away. I like the saiga but id kinda like to get my hands on some high cap mags and ive never seen one for a saiga. Do they take a standard 223 ak mag or what. I can probably get my hands on a saiga for not a whole lot of money as i know someone who has one that they are kinda looking to get rid of.
 
Criteria:

a) Semi-auto
b) Not 7.62x39mm
c) Good for plinking
d) Costs less than an AR-15 (approx $650)


That narrows it down pretty considerably, but there are still several good options out there.

(Setting aside M1 Carbine and M1 Garand [both $350 and up]due to ammo cost not being conducive to plinking.)

Main options:

1) Kel-Tec SU-16 rifle in .223 (approx $450). Semi-auto, takes M16 magazines, lightweight, good sights. I like the SU-16CA variant best, or maybe the C variant. Not so keen on the A variant, with the front sight being way out there on the barrel.

2) Saiga .223 rifle ($280 from www.fbmginc.com): based on the AK action, but with a traditional stock.

3) Any .223-caliber AK variant ($350 and up): available in a wide price-range, various concerns involving non-standardized magazines, etc.

Those are the options which spring to mind, good luck. -MV
 
heh where can you find an ar 15 for that price matthew? I did some looking and the least expensive ones i found were like 850-900.
 
An Armalite AR-180B can be found for $600-650 easily. It shoots .223, is plenty accurate, simple, and reliable... and very fun.
 
Used Mini-14 or Ranch Rifle. If you can get one in stainless (and you can for WELL under $600) that hasn't been run over by a truck, it will serve you well. It remains a great centerfire plinker, despite match rifle fans' complaints about its lacking long-range target accuracy.

Used Marlin Camp Carbine. They don't make them any more, but they used to make them in 9mm, which is a great plinking round because quality ammo is readily available for cheap, and because its range is limited. You don't need or want a 1000 yard cartridge for plinking. It makes it harder to find an appropriate place to plink.

Ruger PC9. Little Police Carbine in 9mm. Also available in .40, but that's more expensive to shoot. The PC and the Camp Carbine can double as defensive arms for home or campsite.

Olympic Arms Plinker. A no-frills AR-15 for under $600. Some people don't like Oly's. Some do. Gun Tests seems to like them, and that's a positive thing. Maybe your best bet.

Of course, the .22LR is still the king of plinking, because it's cheap and accurate. Many good rifles are available in .22LR, most are less expensive than centerfires, and it's also not an overpowered round that will travel much farther than you intend.
 
BTW Big 5 Sporting Goods sells a non-catalog version of the Marlin 1894C (.357/.38) for just over $300 new (you might have to wait for a sale, or ask for the sale price, but they do sell them here for $319). The stock is less fancy than the checkered walnut on the catalog gun, but it's quite serviceable and the metal is the same as the walnut gun.

If you don't really NEED a semiauto, the Marlin is a better gun, a nicer package, and a top-quality firearm. A fun plinker, and cheap bulk .38 Specials are readily available, and the round should be easy to reload with basic equipment, too.
 
Ive looked at those and i do like them, and will likely own one at some point in time. However at the moment ive got the bug for a semi auto. A friend of mine has a henry arms lever in 357 that is really nice.
 
@pat: at gunshows in Austin, the stocking DPMS dealer has ARs as low as $675, can't be too much pricier in AZ.

You can also purchase a complete Stag lower for around $200, and then separately purchase a complete upper from a variety or sources (Model 1 Sales, etc.) for around $400.

Lightly used uppers are often sold on www.ar15.com Equipment Exchange for $300-400.
 
I have seen several Ruger Mini 14 180 and 181 series rifles come up for sale in the $275-$350 range but be warned, they don't last long.
Decent guns, better that the .223 Saiga rifles which I have found to be none too reliable or accurate.
 
Onmilo, I'll take a Saiga .223 head to head against a Mini-14 any day of the week. :)
 
Some knowledgeable posters on this site have reported the Kel-tec SU-16 rifle to be a pretty good gun. If you talk to your dealer again, you might ask for more details. Also, they use M16 mags which can be had for reasonable prices.
 
Well somebody has to plug them, The Hi-point carbine sounds like exactly what you're lookin for. Cheap if you shop around you can pick em up for $200 or so. Wether you choose the 9mm or the 40cal ammo is resonable. They definatly shoot minute of can. And best of all they are just plain fun to shoot.
 
Dang it Correia if we were closer I would take you up on that offer.
I have owned a couple Mini 14 rifles over the years and have shot a couple of the Saiga .223s.

Don't mistake my suggestion for one who likes to smear Saiga rifles either.
I own two now, a 7.62X39 and a .308.
I just wasn't impressed with the .223 versions.
By the way, I no longer own a Mini 14 either, I went to the AR darkside.
 
What about a Kel-Tec SUB 2000 carbine in 9mm with the pistol grip magwell of your choice? tHey run what, $350 or less?
 
why not the m-1 carbine? ammo isn't expensive at all. wolf .30 carbine is like $9.00 and federal american eagle is $11.00 for 50 rounds a box. thats cheaper than most .223. my vote is for the auto ordnance m-1 carbine.
 
You could probably find one of these for ~$700ish.

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You know, I've been jonesing for one of those AO carbines, especially in walnut. They can be had for less than $600, though the places I've looked they're sold out at the moment.

Anyone have any sources for them?
 
I picked up this little jewel a few weeks ago at my local gun shop. Its a High Standard HSA-15 FLAT TOP CARBINE.

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High Standard just started making these (mine is number 953) and I gotta say the fit and finish on them are impeccable. Very very wel made and the price was $720. Add a carry handle rear sight for $45.

I been playing around with it and added the BSA red dot.

I gotta say you should save your pennies a little longer to broaden your choices. :D

BTW I seen shops in Phoenix have these for $900 now. The little shop I go to, the guy adds $30 over cost.
 
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