This is a very stupid question I'm about to ask and I know that. I understand how fully-automatics work, double actions, single actions etc. But one thing I don't get is what keeps a semi-automatic from being a fully-automatic. After it is fired once and you keep holding the trigger, what keeps the hammer from firing again?
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Kaylee
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little piece of metal called a disconnecter. Works a little different in different designs.
Any particular semi-auto you're thinking of?
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Any particular semi-auto you're thinking of?
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MicroBalrog
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Must... suppress... desire.... to remove...
fish2xs
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you are one funny SOB!
MicroB -
of all the posts I've read since my discovery of THR some months
ago, your terse comments are consistently the funniest.
You amuse me - you know like Joe Peschi (sp?) in 'Good Fellas'.
Keep it up. I read this stuff at work. :banghead:
MicroB -
of all the posts I've read since my discovery of THR some months
ago, your terse comments are consistently the funniest.
You amuse me - you know like Joe Peschi (sp?) in 'Good Fellas'.
Keep it up. I read this stuff at work. :banghead:
Here's two CGI pics of how the 1911 works, the disconnector is the dark grey vertical piece that moves up and down:
Notice how when the trigger is pulled, the disconnector no longer touches the sear until pressure is relieved from the trigger, this keeps the 1911 from firing as soon as the slide closes.
Another pic showing how all the parts work together.
Kharn
Notice how when the trigger is pulled, the disconnector no longer touches the sear until pressure is relieved from the trigger, this keeps the 1911 from firing as soon as the slide closes.
Another pic showing how all the parts work together.
Kharn
MicroBalrog
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What does the word "terse" mean?
TallPine
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I read a book about JMB
It seems his first "automatic" was an old lever action that he modified by adding a flapper (with a hole in it for the bullet to exit) mounted externally on the muzzle with a connecting rod to the lever.
Pretty crude experiment, but IIRC it dumped all six rounds out in about 3 seconds, somewhat to his surprise.
The part of the lever that your fingers go in must have been cut off, though
It seems his first "automatic" was an old lever action that he modified by adding a flapper (with a hole in it for the bullet to exit) mounted externally on the muzzle with a connecting rod to the lever.
Pretty crude experiment, but IIRC it dumped all six rounds out in about 3 seconds, somewhat to his surprise.
The part of the lever that your fingers go in must have been cut off, though
fish2xs
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terse - Brief and to the point; effectively concise: a terse one-word answer.
Bravo11
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Nice animation Kharn,
Did you create that model?
If so what program did you use.
Did you create that model?
If so what program did you use.
I should have said where I found it from, www.m1911.org I'm clueless when it comes to CGI stuff (I'm a network guy).
Kharn
Kharn
Bravo11
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I usually try to hit the 1911 forum and 1911.org pretty regularly, I guess I missed that one. I'm in CAD and we create animations similar to that demonstrating designs.
MicroBalrog
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So the disconnector is what a gunsmith should modify/remove to make (theoretically) a full-auto 1911?
MicroBalrog
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I can't have a 1911 anyway (I'm not in America, remember?), and KNOWING this is not a crime.
If you wanted a crappy fullauto hack job, yes, a modified disconnector would work. But thats the totally wrong way to go about achieving full auto with a 1911. During the 1920s and 1930s, I believe select-fire 1911s were able to be had (Bonnie and Clyde had one, with a Tommy gun's vertical fore-grip added to the dust cover, a full auto 1911 is not easy to hold onto), one of those would be much safer.
Kharn
Kharn
MicroBalrog
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But theoretically the conversion is possible and even easy, right?
That's what I want to know.
That's what I want to know.
Like Kharn said, totally wrong way to go about it. If you simply remove the disconnector, one of three things could happen.
1. The hammer will follow the slide forward, but not ignite the next round, leaving you with the hammer down, live round in the chamber.
2. The hammer will follow the slide forward, igniting the next round after the slide has gone completely into battery, giving you FA.
3. The hammer will follow the slide forward, igniting the next round before the slide has gone into battery.
1. The hammer will follow the slide forward, but not ignite the next round, leaving you with the hammer down, live round in the chamber.
2. The hammer will follow the slide forward, igniting the next round after the slide has gone completely into battery, giving you FA.
3. The hammer will follow the slide forward, igniting the next round before the slide has gone into battery.
MicroBalrog
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Not remove, modify. Surely that wouldn't be too hard?
fish2xs,
What dictionary are you using? Mine just says:
terse
Pronunciation: 't&rs
Function: adjective
Inflected Form(s): ters·er; ters·est
Etymology: Latin tersus clean, neat, from past participle of tergEre to wipe off
Date: 1601
Definition: See C.R. Sam
What dictionary are you using? Mine just says:
terse
Pronunciation: 't&rs
Function: adjective
Inflected Form(s): ters·er; ters·est
Etymology: Latin tersus clean, neat, from past participle of tergEre to wipe off
Date: 1601
Definition: See C.R. Sam
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here's the real trick question, how do you get 3 round burst?
fish2xs
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Sleeping Dog
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Method 1 - put 3 rounds in the mag of a full auto gun, let it rip.
Method 2 - put 1 round in each of three guns, then you and 2 buddies let it rip.
There's two parts to this full-auto stuff. Yeah, when you pull the trigger, you want to start spraying bullets. But, when you let go of the trigger, it would be nice if the shooting stopped. Can modifying the disconnector produce a runaway gun? (usually a bad thing)
Regards.
fish2xs,
Sorry, you're relatively new here. C.R. Sam is a member, moderator - and something of a cultural icon for all curmudgeons and curmudgeons-in-training - who is well-known for his compendious responses. Hence: "See C.R. Sam" as a definition for "terse".
Cordex can be seen at many local comedy clubs the night before they go out of business. He swears that this is simply a coincidence.
Sorry, you're relatively new here. C.R. Sam is a member, moderator - and something of a cultural icon for all curmudgeons and curmudgeons-in-training - who is well-known for his compendious responses. Hence: "See C.R. Sam" as a definition for "terse".
Cordex can be seen at many local comedy clubs the night before they go out of business. He swears that this is simply a coincidence.
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While the disconnector may be removed, the real issue is safety. It's best to leave the disconnector and disconnector spring alone.
You don't want the hammer to fall before the action is locked up. This could cause an ignition while the action is still unlocked (open). Besides damage to the gun, there's a possibility of injury to the shooter and to bystanders. Select fire firearms generally have a "trip" or auto-sear that "times" when the gun will fire. That timing is based on when it is safe for the hammer to drop. The M-14 did it through a connector that worked off the op-rod being closed (and along with it, the bolt). The M-16, German G-3 (and MP-5) also rely on a trip lever that operates off the position of the bolt carrier (bolt carrier on either and the bolt have to be in a certain forward position for the trip lever to operate). This ensures the operator that the gun in full auto mode discharges only when it's safe.
You don't want the hammer to fall before the action is locked up. This could cause an ignition while the action is still unlocked (open). Besides damage to the gun, there's a possibility of injury to the shooter and to bystanders. Select fire firearms generally have a "trip" or auto-sear that "times" when the gun will fire. That timing is based on when it is safe for the hammer to drop. The M-14 did it through a connector that worked off the op-rod being closed (and along with it, the bolt). The M-16, German G-3 (and MP-5) also rely on a trip lever that operates off the position of the bolt carrier (bolt carrier on either and the bolt have to be in a certain forward position for the trip lever to operate). This ensures the operator that the gun in full auto mode discharges only when it's safe.
TallPine
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It comes from a reference to the Tersians, an ancient people group from an area in northern Europe known as "Tersia"
No one is sure anymore exactly where Tersia was located.
The Tersians were a stern and hard-working people who spoke very little to outsiders, and were best known for their "Terse" replies, mostly consisting of "Nope" and "Ayup"
The Tersians were scattered from their ancestral homeland, and some migrated to the English isles, and later to North America, especially Maine, New Hampshire, and Vermont.
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