Serious revolver usage

[Old Fuff]

Actually I'm not sure that Jerry might not have found out the same thing, but not made a point of saying so. He has matched and even exceeded some of McGivern's records. It should be noted that both of these gentlemen never made any claims that weren't witnessed in public. McGivern at least, did some shooting that was never published because it was under circumstances where reliable witnesses weren't present.

 

[Guillermo]

Jerry also has a company willing to use exotic materials, test springs and test ammo so as to quicken the cyclical rate for him.

 

[230therapy]

Yes, yes, and YEEEEESSSSSSS! Ed McGivern! I've been trying to think of that name ever since this thread went up! Ole Ed wouldn't use semi-autos because they were "TO SLOW."

Miculek is still chasing some of McGivern's records. That's how talented and skilled he was!

Anyone who is even 33% as good as either would be an amazing shooter.

 

[230therapy]

I need proof that a semi-auto, any semi-auto, is more rugged than a revolver. It's nearly impossible to believe.

Does "rugged" mean "ability to withstand extreme conditions"?

What happens when crud, dirt and/or mud get into the cylinder holes from the front side? It seems to me this is a likely scenario when using a revolver.

 

[19-3Ben]

It is a fact that a single action revolver will outperform a semi-auto or double-action of the same caliber every time out.

Outperform in what way? That's kind of a vague term.

 

[easyg]

It is a fact that a single action revolver will outperform a semi-auto or double-action of the same caliber every time out.

The single-action revolver sure will not outperform them in capacity or reload speed.

 

[230therapy]

McGivern spends quite a bit of time explaining why he chose the double action revolver over the semi-auto pistol and single action revolver.

 

[gym]

If someone is close enough to grab your revolver and render it useless, you are a meathead. I carried one for 21 rears and never had that problem.

 

[Steel Talon]

EasyG
Revolvers are also less rugged than autoloaders.
Autoloaders can withstand drops and knocks and bangs much better than revolvers.

Revolvers are as every bit as dependable in a drop as a pistol, maybe a bit more so????

In repeating myself.. "Well built revolvers are just that "Well Built"

It would take enormous amount of pointed force to knock a cylinder out of timing. Or million to one shot of getting a piece of debris inside the trigger housing to jam performance.

Thumbing spurs are easy to break off, a deal breaker for single actions, I also wouldn't place great trust in the sights after a significant drop. But quick operational check can be quickly made to determine if revolver will make a cartridge go bang. Without an actual test fire.

 

[ForumSurfer]

If someone is close enough to grab your revolver and render it useless, you are a meathead. I carried one for 21 rears and never had that problem.

Someone can grab an autoloader or a revolver and render it useless. Depending on how crowded an area you frequent and/or live, it is entirely feasible for a fight to start at bad breath distance. That is why force on force training exists. Just because you never entered that scenario, it doesn't mean that it can't happen.

 

[19-3Ben]

If someone is close enough to grab your revolver and render it useless, you are a meathead. I carried one for 21 rears and never had that problem.

I forget the statistic, but i seem to remember that the vast majority of defensive shootings take place at 10 feet or less. Someone could VERY quickly close that gap and grab a gun.

 

[ForumSurfer]

I forget the statistic, but i seem to remember that the vast majority of defensive shootings take place at 10 feet or less. Someone could VERY quickly close that gap and grab a gun.

Someone walking briskly at 7mph covers 10.2 feet per second. Break out a shot timer and see just how many seconds it takes to draw and fire. Just food for thought....

 

[Robbins290]

Try having a glock take a beating like a m1895 nagant has.

 

[19-3Ben]

Someone walking briskly at 7mph covers 10.2 feet per second. Break out a shot timer and see just how many seconds it takes to draw and fire. Just food for thought....

Yup. Ever see those videos where a guy with a knife stands 20 feet from someone with a holstered gun and charges? Scary stuff. It really does make you think!

 

[230therapy]

I see lots of ignorance in this thread regarding the topic of close range fighting. As this poster points out:

I forget the statistic, but i seem to remember that the vast majority of defensive shootings take place at 10 feet or less. Someone could VERY quickly close that gap and grab a gun.

It's far, far worse than that.

I can draw and fire very quickly. I'm well practiced. When faced with the situation in force on force with a modified Glock 17 loaded with Simunitions, I was unable to draw my openly carried gun before my hand was pinned to my holster. The gun felt like it was glued to the holster when the guy was coming at me.

Once the bad guy recognizes you have a gun, the conflict turns into a fight over that weapon. If you get knocked down, and the odds are it will happen if you're being charged and don't know the proper footwork, you have a really big problem on your hands. You have to protect the gun to maintain possession while fighting off punches, kicks, grabs and so forth. If there is a second attacker, they will be free to kick you once you are pinned. It will not go well for you if you don't know what to do (and even then it likely won't go well).

The actual solution to this problem is not a firearm, but combatives and good physical fitness. You have to know what you are doing or you will have a very, very bad day even in a one-on-one fight. Odds are his buddy is waiting to strike when there is an opening. A short, fixed blade knife on the belt can come in very handy, but you will have the same problem with deploying it. Such a draw needs to be integrated into the combatives you are using at the time.

Attend Craig Douglas' ECQC course for extreme details and practice on this subject.

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