Shipping a handgun from CO to FL to my dad

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My father is interested in buying my SW M&P 9C from me for concealed carry. I need to ship it to him, but am not sure how to go about it? Can I ship the gun/barrel in separate boxes? Is that legal? Do I have to ship go through a federally licensed firearms dealer?

This is a first for me, any help would be appreciated. Thanks!
 
The transfer has to be done thru an FFL in your dad's state.

Can I ship the gun/barrel in separate boxes? Is that legal?

The barrel, yes. The rest of the gun, no. Shipping the rest of the gun to him would be a federal crime.
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Ship it overnight UPS or FedEx to a FFL in his town. The handgun frame is the "firearm." You can ship the other parts like you would a box of screws. But there's no point in splitting it up.

He can find one here if he doesn't have one in mind.

http://www.auctionarms.com/help/fflnetwork.cfm

He goes to that dealer, pays their "transfer fee," and takes his new baby home.
 
Thanks! For the overnight, insurance, and FFL fee, it's almost cheaper to have him fly out here to Denver for lunch!
 
A dealer can use priority mail to ship a handgun. You should probably be able to find a FFL in your town willing to ship cheap for $20 and he should be able to find a ffl willing to do a transfer on his end for about $20. Having dad in for lunch is always great though.
 
Another legal question... if dad flies out for lunch and you give him the gun, and he returns to FL with it... is that legal? I was under the impression that it isn't.
 
Humor me folks. If I wanted to "give"(or sell for that matter) a firearm to a relative/friend who is visiting my home from another state, doesn't that person still have to register it within his state? Or does this just apply to buying firearms from dealers out of state?

I know individual states have their rules, I am wondering about BATFE regs.
 
Priceless

FFL + USPS from CO to FL :$35.00
FFL in FL to transfer firearm :20.00
Having Dad fly out for lunch :pricless :D
 
Another legal question... if dad flies out for lunch and you give him the gun, and he returns to FL with it... is that legal? I was under the impression that it isn't.
It is not, in retrospect I hope I wasn't unclear about my comments because they look like they may have been. Get the gun out to his ffl cheap but still have dad in for lunch :D

If I wanted to "give"(or sell for that matter) a firearm to a relative/friend who is visiting my home from another state, doesn't that person still have to register it within his state? Or does this just apply to buying firearms from dealers out of state?
There is no such thing as registration in most states, but what you propose isn't legal to begin with. If you want a person from another state to take posession of your handgun, it has to go through a FFL in their state.
 
Soybomb, that helps a lot.

I've been given guns by family members growing up and never needed fill out any forms or go through a FFL. I've never given/sold a gun to anyone, so this is new to me.

This seems harder than it should be.
 
It's not the giving that requires the FFL, it's the shipping. You would have to pay a FFL holder on your end and that FFL holder ships to a FFL holder on your father's end. Then, along with paying the FFL any fees they want, I think that your father will also have to fill out the federal form and be checked by the FBI before he can pick up the gun you gave him from the FFL holder.
 
Sorry dale, you've got some things crossed. When you send a gun out of state it has to go to a FFL, but there is no legal requirement that it be mailed from a ffl. Unless the receiving ffl has a problem with accepting a transfer from a private individual (and some do, if they don't they'll probably want a copy of your drivers license), you can mail it to the receiving ffl yourself. As far giving it not requring the ffl, thats just wrong. You can't travel to the same state to avoid interstate transfer laws. see 18 U.S.C. 922(a)(3).

The most important advice though is legal advice on the internet is worth about what you paid for it, often a little less. Always try to research these things yourself and read the actual law before you trust someone. Shipping laws are one of those things that a lot of people will offer advice on that doesn't match the law.
 
Thanks for that correction. I suppose what really makes us look foolish in life isn't what we don't know, it's what we don't know that we don't know.

Dale
 
Soybomb, you've got something crossed yourself:

"but there is no legal requirement that it be mailed from a ffl"

Maybe you just misspoke and meant to say "shipped?"

Actually, a nonlicensee can ship a handgun to a FFL (UPS, FEDEX, etc.) but he cannot mail a handgun.
There is a reason the following language is on the Form 1508:

"The undersigned is a manufacturer of firearms or bona fide dealer therein, and the parcels presented for mailing herewith are customary trade shipments or other articles for repair or replacement of parts. To the best of my knowledge and belief, the addresses are manufacturers of firearms or bona fide dealers therein."

"A nonlicensee may not transfer a firearm to a non-licensed resident of another State. A nonlicensee may mail a shotgun or rifle to a resident of his or her own State or to a licensee in any State. The Postal Service recommends that long guns be sent by registered mail and that no marking of any kind which would indicate the nature of the contents be placed on the outside of any parcel containing firearms. Handguns are not mailable. A common or contract carrier must be used to ship a handgun."

[18 U.S.C. 1715, 922(a)(3), 922(a)(5) and 922 (a)(2)(A)]
 
"but there is no legal requirement that it be mailed from a ffl"

Maybe you just misspoke and meant to say "shipped?"
My apologies, I keep tripping myself up in this thread. Mailed becomes as much of a verb as kleenex becomes facial tissue ;)
 
Not to hijack your thread, but...

Is interstate shipping (UPS FEDEX ETC.) of a firearm acceptable if it is sent to ones self? Specifically, I have a friend who is an Alaska resident. We attend college in Arizona and she would like to have her .357 in the house. Can she send it to herself from Alaska to Arizona without it being mailed to an FFL?
 
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