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It's not smokeless powder. Additionally, the shooter also says he double loaded. The powder can sitting on the bench is Jim Shockey's Gold-a muzzleloader powder. Maybe the projectile/s were not seated on the powder. The gun blew up at the breech. There is a fragment of the gun barrel lying on the concrete.
 
Again I say 'Where's the smoke?' There should be PLENTY of white smoke from a double load, regardless of what the shooter says. He's covering his a$$.
 
where did the smoke go?

i do suspect he might have loaded with a conical and had it creep forward on him. i don't like lubing Minnie balls, or carrying m gun with one in it for more than a minute or so. and i make sure to check to see if the thing didn't slide forward before i prime my pan. that's kinda my paranoia right there. i load 80 grains of powder and a Minnie ball, then as I'm walking over to the target area it slides forward because it's a little loose...
 
I too am curious about the lack of copious amounts of smoke even if it is that Jim Shockey's substitute. Does anyone know if it is loose powder or the compressed sticks they sell, they both come in those plastic cans?

~Mako
 
There was a ton of smoke that immediately rose along the entire length of the barrel.
The smoke was rapidly forced upward along with the rifle scope and is evident if one looks for it.
Just click to stop the video right after the beginning of the 11th second when the barrel explosion occurs and it can be clearly seen. :)
 
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I wouldn't call that a ton of smoke, but it is smoke, so now I don't know. Here is a still of T=11 seconds....

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arcticap,
I've been shooting BP for over 45 years and that is not a TON of smoke. Especially not for a medium bore rifle. I did stop the playback and worked it through step by step trying to get a better understanding of what happened.

There is wind from the front which helps dissipate the smoke and take it out of frame, but I was looking for the initial release and to determine if there was an origination point of the barrel rupture. The video is not high speed so you can't tell.

But, it's not a lot of smoke.

~Mako
 
The smoke is thick enough to be opaque, and the trees that
are in the background can't even be seen through all the smoke.

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well that is definitely interesting to see what a modern muzzleloader barrel will do when it catastrophically fails. you can see it splits into steel "ribbons" like a piece of lumber split with a hatchet. from what I've heard they make them do that instead of turning into a million little pieces of shrapnel minimizing the carnage.
 
Yes, there's some smoke. Doesn't seem like a double load worth. But, setting aside the smoke discussion and just looking at the result (a burst barrel) I have a difficult time with a double load of Shockey's being the sole cause of that kind of damage. A faulty barrel plus a short started projectile plus a double load perhaps, but a double load only isn't, to me, credible.

BTW, that's not just a 'modern' barrel failure mode. They've been failing like that for hundreds of years. They're not brittle and don't shatter. Never have.
 
Some of the new muzzleloader guys have no idea what they're doing. i was at the private weapons range on a military base when a soldier came in with his new Knight. He sat down and started to load his gun. The powder can didn't look right: It was IMR 3031 and he was going to load 100 grains by volume.

Sat down and had a long talk chat with the guy. Gave a talk on muzzleloader safety, gave him a can of Pyrodex, showed him the proper way to load his gun, and we sighted it in. He got a deer a few days later. That was years ago; we sometimes hunt together when he's not serving overseas.
 
Busyhands94 said:
well that is definitely interesting to see what a modern muzzleloader barrel will do when it catastrophically fails. you can see it splits into steel "ribbons" like a piece of lumber split with a hatchet. from what I've heard they make them do that instead of turning into a million little pieces of shrapnel minimizing the carnage.
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Busyhands,
The reason the barrel fails in that fashion is due to the hoop strength of a cylinder and also because there are inscribed lines (rifling) in the barrel. However that being said a shotgun barrel actually fails in a similar way because of the hoop strength. The difference being there is usually a bulged area and a rupture point on a shotgun barrel (but not always).

Mykeal,
I think you and I are in agreement on this one. That was my point as well, there is not a LOT of smoke that would be expected with a double charge. It is just a typical lower charge and the lower smoke signature you see with a substitute instead of real BP.

~Mako
 
I think the second load didn't even explode... it just obstructed the barrel as it was a powder/ball/powder/ball kind of load...
 
Those pellets in the first video sure went up in a hurry. Always a great idea to leave an open container of flammable solids right next to a source of ignition. Somebody had a bad day.

Seems like those BP substitute pellets would be great model rocket propellant.
 
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