Shooting alone in the desert, woods, wherever.

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I was fishing once, bank fishing for bass. Catch and release just for fun and sport. There was nobody around the borrow pond when I arrived but after about 30 minutes I saw a rough looking vehicle pull in and two men got out. I paid them no mind but was aware of them, lots of meat fishermen bank fish these ponds because they are stocked regularly. Anyways, I noticed they seemed to not be doing much fishing and getting closer and closer to me with each move. I moved on again and they moved again closer. By the time I had made another move they were nearly close enough to fish the same opening as I. I did not like their looks and red flags were waving. It was about that time I knelt down to my tackle pack and casually adjusted my jacket back so that my Kimber 45ACP was clearly visible. I was open carry but it was cool out and so I had a light jacket on. And then I looked squarely at the guy and asked them if they were planning on fishing on top of me. This seemed to get their attention but no verbal response and when I immediately grabbed my pack and moved to the next spot they did not follow. Shortly after I saw them moving around the pond away from me. They fooled around near their vehicle and then left.
 
I remember being fascinated by the little 32 revolver my grandfather kept in his tackle box. I suppose we have been so coddled for so long, the thought of folks determined to harm us has been lost. Time for vigilance refresher course.
Whenever, which is to say; every-time, that I hear *kit gun* I think of .32s in particular and also .38s in tackle boxes.

Todd.
 
I was fishing once, bank fishing for bass. Catch and release just for fun and sport. There was nobody around the borrow pond when I arrived but after about 30 minutes I saw a rough looking vehicle pull in and two men got out. I paid them no mind but was aware of them, lots of meat fishermen bank fish these ponds because they are stocked regularly. Anyways, I noticed they seemed to not be doing much fishing and getting closer and closer to me with each move. I moved on again and they moved again closer. By the time I had made another move they were nearly close enough to fish the same opening as I. I did not like their looks and red flags were waving. It was about that time I knelt down to my tackle pack and casually adjusted my jacket back so that my Kimber 45ACP was clearly visible. I was open carry but it was cool out and so I had a light jacket on. And then I looked squarely at the guy and asked them if they were planning on fishing on top of me. This seemed to get their attention but no verbal response and when I immediately grabbed my pack and moved to the next spot they did not follow. Shortly after I saw them moving around the pond away from me. They fooled around near their vehicle and then left.

Thanks for the reminder to stay vigilant. Glad you were carrying some protection that proved itself worthy! Good for you!
 
Back before Ohio allowed concealed carry, a couple guys I somewhat knew were approached at the boat ramp while loading up for the day. Story goes, one of the 2 approaching men pulled a knife and demanded their money and valuables. One of the fishermen allegedly told the robber that he better re-think his plan, as he'd look pretty strange with that knife stuck up his ___. No clue if that's how it happened, but the arresting deputy stated in the newspaper article that the would-be robbers took a serious beating and required medical attention prior to being booked in.

I've found that I sometimes think of crowded areas as a bigger threat. The reality is probably opposite that.
 
Before I started carrying myself, the wife and I were visiting friends in Martin, TN. The friend suggested that while it was a bit early, we go to Kentucky lake to try for some crappies. Left early the next morning and stopped at a bait shop to get a license for me and some bait. Owner had a small revolver near the cash register, opposite side of the counter from the public. After we left, I commented that it seemed strange to be out in the open, as a Yankee we'd not have done that back home. He pointed out it is a different world down there. While we launched the boat from property his father owned, and started fishing, I noticed several others doing the same thing, mostly one guy to a boat, and noticed one fisherman carrying openly. Conversation went back around to the topic of carrying. He bet me that most of the guys on the water were likely carrying, and since we were going around that end of the lake in the opposite direction than most, we'd have the opportunity to check it out. The bet was that the loser cleaned the fish while the winner drank beer.

Well, in the morning's pass around the cane, not only did I get outfished, but the armed vs unarmed count, in the limited sample set, went heavily also to the armed camp. So much so, that I was the only one NOT carrying. As he reached for a beer while watching me clean the crappies, I saw his shirt ride up a bit, exposing the bottom end of a holster. I asked him about it, and he responded that NOBODY down there is unarmed. I learned several lessons that day, and have been carrying actively since.
 
Before I started carrying myself, the wife and I were visiting friends in Martin, TN. The friend suggested that while it was a bit early, we go to Kentucky lake to try for some crappies.
That's a very interesting story for me.
I spent a good deal of time - possibly an inordinate amount of time - on Kentucky Lake before I retired from Ft Campbell and never really saw the guns on fisherman to any great degree. Now, this is 20 and more years ago but I'm the sort who would have noticed.
I wonder; has it changed that much or was it so un-noteworthy and common as for me to take it in stride?
I would like to think I am merely forgetting rather than so dramatic a change being needed in so relatively short a period of time.

One of the more singular points of having started this thread is to note the number of y'all commenting on carrying while fishing. Boat ramp stories in particular.:thumbup:

Todd.
 
That's a very interesting story for me.
I spent a good deal of time - possibly an inordinate amount of time - on Kentucky Lake before I retired from Ft Campbell and never really saw the guns on fisherman to any great degree. Now, this is 20 and more years ago but I'm the sort who would have noticed.
I wonder; has it changed that much or was it so un-noteworthy and common as for me to take it in stride?
I would like to think I am merely forgetting rather than so dramatic a change being needed in so relatively short a period of time.

One of the more singular points of having started this thread is to note the number of y'all commenting on carrying while fishing. Boat ramp stories in particular.:thumbup:

Todd.

Todd, this was perhaps 10-12 years ago. I am on my third renewal of my 5 year MN permit to carry, and had it then, just never carried a lot. I will point out as well that some of these we had to look pretty closely, some were openly displayed, but most were concealed by a shirt covering, but not very well.
 
I grew up shooting on private land and we normally were careful to make sure someone was armed before going to check the targets. Worse that ever happened to us was a coyote chased a deer across behind our shooting rest while we were at the targets. None of us were armed that time. It made a good reason to keep a loaded gun handy aside from the self defense issue.
 
Back before Ohio allowed concealed carry, a couple guys I somewhat knew were approached at the boat ramp while loading up for the day. Story goes, one of the 2 approaching men pulled a knife and demanded their money and valuables. One of the fishermen allegedly told the robber that he better re-think his plan, as he'd look pretty strange with that knife stuck up his ___. No clue if that's how it happened, but the arresting deputy stated in the newspaper article that the would-be robbers took a serious beating and required medical attention prior to being booked in.

I've found that I sometimes think of crowded areas as a bigger threat. The reality is probably opposite that.
That is a great story....I would have loved to witness and participated in that.
 
Before I moved to the USA from Calif. many years ago, I had multiple run-ins with predatory types and, by luck, survived a murder attempt (thrown hatchet, flew past my head).

In almost every case, I got out without serious harm, and in most of them, with no violence occurring. The thing that saved me was having a means of self-defense and a clear willingness to use it. One time it was the pair of rattan arnis sticks poking out of the top of my pack. Another was the padlock and thick chain draped around the back of my neck when several “yoots” decided to take me off the bike by blocking my path. I accelerated and aimed at one, grabbing one end of the chain as I got closer. They parted like the Red Sea.

Contrasting with these was a day during my freshman year at Rancho Cotate HS, in 1975-6. A very large older student cornered a friend and I (both small for our age) as we were leaving the mostly empty campus. He asked to “borrow” my bike. I refused, and he choked me out. As my vision came down to a dot, he let go. I think he got scared of killing me, which seemed likely, in retrospect. My “friend” was useless and made no attempt to help. Afterwards, I swore up and down that I never wanted to be helpless again, and that I couldn’t count on others to defend me. I think it’s clear that that was a defining moment, and it helped push me toward a serious interest in self-defense, martial arts, and a different mindset.
 
So these four guys decide to canoe down a river in GA that was going to be dammed soon, one was a bow hunter.

They had some contact with locals and really bad things happened, including sodomy and murder.

Oh, it was "Deliverance".

Wonder how many people that woke up as to being careful in the woods, especially if they hear banjos. lol
 
Way back in the '70s when I was a young man I used to backpack with my wife far out in the wilderness. After meeting guys on numerous occasions who all looked exactly like the deviants in "Deliverence" I started carrying a big bore revolver openly so they could see it. The wife carried a backup also. They can tell immediately if you're going to be a "victim" or not. Don't look like a "victim" and don't let them get close to you.
 
ACT,
Not sure where you live but I also shoot out in the desert on occasion. I never go alone and I tell everyone that's coming to always carry if they get there first.

I've seen people come out of nowhere in the desert and all I ever think about is the movie "the hills have eyes"! Some of these people are scary and I doubt wouldn't think twice about killing you!

This is in SoCal, just a few hours from L.A. and I've run into them in numerous places. Another thing, if you don't have a sling on your rifle, get one! Having an AR or some other military rifle slung across your back goes a long way to keep scumbags away from you!

People may not like it but whenever I have someone come into my camp, the first thing I do is make sure they see me pull the charging handle. And I don't safety the weapon until they're leaving.

One other thing that a lot of people don't know about is that in CA, your campsite is your home away from home. You're allowed to carry in your campsite at all times.
 
I’m pretty much deaf as is, the electronic muffs help much while shooting but in my case I don’t doubt I could be taken unawares. But then I don’t live near any great isolated out of doors areas. Did I and where I able I to use them I think I’d be more aware after reading this thread. Valid issues for these troubled times.
 
A murder of two Florida hunters
Although the piney woods surrounding Alvin Warren's house are teeming with deer these days, he and many other hunters in this remote region near the Georgia border are staying away. Two hunters were found shot to death in the area last month, and the police believe that the same person is responsible for both killings.

"I'm not as eager to go as I was," said Mr. Warren, a retired civil servant who lives in the forest. "In the past I've gotten in my Bronco, taken my tree stand and my gun and hunted till I felt I was through. Now I take another person with me. We go together in the woods and we sit in sight of one another."

The dead hunters, both from Orange Park, Fla., were Don Hill, 63, found shot in back and head on Nov. 20 in the Osceola National Forest, and Gregory Allen Wood, 35, killed on Nov. 25 in a similar manner 40 miles away near Camp Blanding, another hunting area.

"We have a lot of similarities in the two murders," said Sgt. Dan Smith, spokesman for a team of investigators from the Clay County sheriff's office, the Florida Game and Fresh Water Fish Commission and the Florida Department of Law Enforcement.

"Both were shot at close range with a shotgun; both were wearing orange vests," Sergeant Smith said. "They were shot from a talking, not shouting, distance."

The two killings came early in the hunting season, which is now in its third week and is scheduled to last through the third weekend of January. Officials are asking hunters to exercise caution.

Indeed, the killings have many in the area feeling wary, especially the "still hunters," who sit motionless in the trees waiting for their prey to pass.

"If anyone approached my stand, I used to let them come under and go on," Mr. Warren said. "Now I stop them at about a hundred yards. I tell them, 'Don't come no closer, I've got my cross hairs on you.' "

Dave Mason and Rudy Leopold of St. Petersburg were two hunters who had set up camp in the forest this week for the first time since hearing the news of the hunters' deaths.

"We definitely are staying in eye contact in the woods and I'm not wearing the orange in the tree no more," said Mr. Leopold, 38, an electrical contractor, referring to the bright orange vest hunters are required to wear.

Mr. Mason added, "I think it's pretty brazen for somebody to kill somebody that's got a gun, you know?"

What makes the hunters especially nervous is the idea that the dead men were killed by someone stalking hunters, although no one knows whether it was for robbery or some other reason. The police say they have found no connection between the victims other than hunting.

With hunters so skittish, the lead investigator on the case, Lieut. Jimm Redmond of the Clay County sheriff's office, says it is fortunate there have been no more shootings.

"We've had a concern that the hunter could get aggressive toward one another in concern for their safety," he said. "But there have been no hostilities or incidents and they seem to be following our advice."

That advice is to "team up, let a loved one know what time you are expected back and be cautiously aware of your surroundings," Lieutenant Redmond said.
 
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