Shooting at MacDill AFB

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Yoda

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I was leaving work this evening, and the USAF Sky Cops had the gate closed. There were about 15 cars in front of me. A motorcycle came around behind me and drove across an open grass field towards the gate, and then went behind some decorative bushes near the gate, about 100 yards from my position.

I noticed as he drove across the grass that he was weaving slightly, as if he was enjoying the freedom of taking his bike across an open field... or maybe he was just maneuvering around some rough spots that he could see that I couldn't... or maybe he was desperate and just hoping he could get through one last obstacle before getting away.

Three USAF police cars followed him across the grass. When the cops got to the bushes, they jumped out, guns drawn, and advanced towards where I saw the guy on the bike go.

I heard two shots. I couldn't see more, because of the bushes.

There was a lot of commotion after that. Fire trucks and ambulances arrived from the base and from off base.

I later learned that the bike rider was pronounced dead at the scene. He reportedly was involved in a domestic dispute on base and he evaded the responding Air Force security police. When he tried to drive off base by going through the closed gate, an off-duty FBI agent who happened to be at the gate tried to stop him. He pulled a knife and advanced on the agent, and that was the end of his story.

My point?

Whatever this guy did, he never expected it to end the way it did. One moment, he's enjoying a ride, probably elated at the prospect of evading the last of the cops and breaking free, and the next moment he makes his second bad decision of the day and everything for him is over forever.

My other point?

I didn't see the shooting, but I did see someone afterwards standing by himself, away from all the emergency vehicles, and he didn't look well. I wondered if he was the guy who had to shoot. Some people on this site talk a lot about how certain they are that they'll do what they have to do if they have to do it, but I'm not sure they appreciate how they'll feel afterwards. YES, we will have to take care of the immediate problem so we can be alive afterwards to think about how we feel about it, but I suspect most of us will not feel good.

My last point?

The guy who got involved in a dispute and then pulled a knife to threaten someone he probably thought was an unarmed civilian apparently made a lot of bad decisions today. When he got up this morning, he certainly never thought that any of his actions would result in his own death. It's a shame that snap stupidity can have such instant and fatal consequences. Don't be stupid. Quick reactions are good if you're trying to save your life in a self-defense situation, but if you're in the habit of making bad decisions, quick reactions can get you into terminal trouble.

- - - Yoda

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Yeah ... I actually have given a lot of thought to the subject of self defense and guns.
I have come to a couple of conclusions:
A.) I believe I could pull the trigger.
B.) OTOH I am pretty certain I'd feel pretty wretched about it for some time after.

I'm not going to pull the trigger unless I fear for my live or a loved one's. But I have been sufficiently close to death in the past to know it will mark my soul if I have to do it ....
 
he dismounted the motorcycle, took out a knife, and threatened an FBI agent who happened to be at the gate.

I find it quite interesting that an FBI agent just "happened" to be at the gate. Given what I believe would be a limited number of FBI agents, and that the military have their own investigative units, that seems like quite a coincidence. Seems like the reporter should have dug a little deeper on that one. Are we now keeping FBI close to domestic bases so they can be the official collar on any futher terrorists?
 
I know from experience that it is not unusual for different agencies to work together, which requires a lot of liaison. I don't find it odd that an FBI agent happened to be there at all. It was common in my time... 80s-90s.
 
Could have been for a security clearance interview ETC.....

Who knows and who cares why FBI was there. Feel bad for him to have to deal with what he had to do.

Shame some guy died, sounds like that vet needed help he either didnt get or know how to get it.


I wonder if we will hear about this at Mt Home AFB in the upcoming safety briefs/wingman day?
 
I find it quite interesting that an FBI agent just "happened" to be at the gate.
It's not that odd at all.

Back in the '90s, NASA Plum Brook Station south of Sandusky, Ohio had an FBI agent assigned to the station. He believe that he covered the area between Toledo and Cleveland, which is quite a stretch.
 
"I find it quite interesting that an FBI agent just "happened" to be at the gate. Given what I believe would be a limited number of FBI agents, and that the military have their own investigative units, that seems like quite a coincidence. Seems like the reporter should have dug a little deeper on that one. Are we now keeping FBI close to domestic bases so they can be the official collar on any futher terrorists?"

1) You do know that the FBI is mandated by presidential order to investigate all terrorism cases...So they would be in fact the "Official Collar"..
2) The Agent was there attending a conference, as the Tampa FBI field office is a very short distance away....
3) You dont take a knife to a gun fight...
4) This may really get ya going...There are ATF agents on the JTTF also....and I have seen them in a black helicopter...
 
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I find it quite interesting that an FBI agent just "happened" to be at the gate.

McDill is the home of:

# Headquarters, United States Central Command (USCENTCOM)
# Headquarters, United States Special Operations Command (USSOCOM)
# Headquarters, United States Special Operations Central Command (USSOCCENT)
# Headquarters, United States Marine Corps Forces Central Command (USMARCENT)

I'd hardly be surprised at a member of any government agency dealing with security at the base, given those tenants.
 
I used to be a shift commander with the Air Force Security Police (now "Security Forces"). It's not at all unusual for other LEOs to be found at the entrance to bases. Most often, it would be to stop by to say "hi," but since the gates serve as the points through which all individuals enter and exit a base, it's a natural place to go if they're trying to locate someone who may have an affiliation with the base. There are also myriad other possibilities, like the possibility that the agent was a former sky cop and just wanted to stop by and say hello.
 
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