Shooting the 1893 Mauser Carbine

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Drakejake

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Today I shot the 7 by 57 Mauser out at Cheatham Wildlife Management Area near Ashland City, TN. I had only fired a couple of rounds through it since I became interested in firearms several years ago (I had owned the Mauser carbine and the Mauser rifle since childhood, if you can believe that. A great uncle had bought them back from the war in Cuba.) Today I first fired the gun with the bolt that came with it. I fired several shots from the hip to guard against eye and face damage if there was a problem. There wasn't. I then replaced the bolt with one from the 1893 Mauser rifle (longer version of the gun) I have. When I pulled the trigger, nothing happened. I cannot see the firing pin at the front of the bolt, so I think it is either broken, missing, or being held back by something. The safety on this bolt doesn't work, so that may have something to do with it.

I was pleased to see that there was NO backing out of the primer with this S&B ammo as there had been with the old Peters ammo that came with it. A gun friend told me that the backing out was probably caused by a "headspace" problem. But he said that the problem was too minor to create any danger. So the slight backing out that occurred with the Peters seems to be related to the ammo and not to the rifle. That is very good.

I would like to take the alternate bolt apart and see what the problem is, but one of the steps of disassembly is to put the safety on and I cannot do this.

Firing the Mauser carbine is very unpleasant. The recoil actually causes the rifle to hit the shoulder in a painful way. The trigger guard also hits the middle finger. I fired only ten rounds; that was enough. The recoil is at least twice as much as with the Saiga .308. Because the two rounds are comparable, I think the reason for this difference is that the cycling of a semi-auto rifle absorbs a good bit of the recoil. But all of the recoil in a bolt action rifle is transmitted to the shooter's body.

Drakejake
 

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Observation #1: Your little Model 93 carbine is worth a considerable sum of money. Take care of it. Don't let anyone talk you into modifying or "improving" it in any way.

Observation #2: Swapping bolts is NOT a good idea. The headspace is set by the relationship of the bolt face to the datum line in the chamber. Different bolts can have different headspace in the same rifle. If you don't have gauges and don't know how to measure it, don't even think of swapping bolts, even though the rifle bolt fits the action.

Observation #3: While I am on the headspace kick, your carbine would be a good candidate for testing, particularly since you have seen "signs" in the past.

Observation #4: To engage the safety on the alternate bolt, hook the cocking piece on the edge of a workbench and pull on the lug end of the bolt body. That will allow you to flip the safety into the 12:00 o'clock position.

Clemson
 
Drakejake, are you the same one that posted this thread over at thefiringline?: http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=160074
If you are I'm glad to see you didn't kill yourself :evil: As for shooting from the hip?? Manly sounding yes, but I value my various bits of junk a little too much to shoot anything untested from the hip!!! :D

As far as the safety not working, what do you mean by it doesn't work? Will it engage at all? does it just flop back and forth? Is it frozen in place?
 
Nuts, yes, I am the same Drakejake. There was little risk when firing the Mauser with the bolt (numbers don't match) which came with it. The carbine has been fired with this bolt several times. Friends and I fired 20 rounds through it a few years ago. I know there was a little risk using the bolt from the Mauser rifle. That is why I tried to fire it away from my head. If the thing had fired and the bolt had exploded, I might have a bruised wrist but I could still see and blow my nose. When firing the carbine conventionally, the end of the bolt is about two inches from the face.

I will try soaking the bolt with the frozen safety. The safety lever will not move. Perhaps rust is the problem. And I will try the other approach suggested, if I can figure out how to do it.

Thanks,

Drakejake
 
Well, Clemson covered the musical bolts is a no-no thing, so I won`t go there. Anyway, it looks like that may be an 1895 carbine from what I can see. (looks like the front sight has protective 'ears', am I right?) In 1896 they added sling loops on the left side, in addition to to the sling bar under the wrist of the stock. Mine is in the 6000 sr # range with the sling loops, and is a lot of fun. Regards, Bill
 
Cedarsavage, you may wanna tone down a bit.

Next time you have doubts, try shooting it remotely with a long piece of string. Yes, leg is more protected, Nuts brings up a very good point (esp. considering his name :evil: ) but 20' back is better yet.

And yes, do keep it up in good shape, and don't shop it up. Enough bubbas floating around that we don't need another, especially one with a known history such as yours.
 
Threads like this come up every now and then, I've even started some of them. I just noticed though, and again, I'm bad about it too, we never seem to have the money to go to a gunsmith but are able to scrape up enough to see a Doctor. :confused:
 
The problem around my area is that there are virtually no gunsmiths to go to. I have headspace gauges for 7x57, 8x57, and 30-06 in my own tool chest. If you can't find a gunsmith, go to a knowledgeable person. The problem is determining just who a "knowledgeable person" might be.

Clemson
 
BTW, last time I had some rifles headspaced, it was free. He put a sight on my Enfield for $10 for the part and labor (I was missing the screw, couldn't find one) and dug up some 50-rd boxes of surplus .303 ammo for $5/box. It was well worth the 40 minuet drive.
 
Its not hard to check the headspace.

Go to
http://www.lockstock.com/cart/webca...mless+Calibers&ZN=TEXT&CODE=2012554&ITEM=2030

Order a Field headspace guage for 7mm mauser, will cost you about $20 delivered.

Completely strip the bolt of your rifle including the extractor so you have nothing but a bare bolt left (its ok to leave the extractor band on as it won't interfere).

Make sure the chamber is squeaky clean and dry.

Gently chamber the headspaceguage, and gently close the bolt using the pressure of your pinky finger. If the bolt will not close all the way, the rifle should be ok to shoot, if the bolt closes on the guage, do not shoot the rifle.
 
Thought my rude posting (about insurance) would jolt him awake. All he has to do is pay attention to the replies here and wherever else he has posted and he can tie the rifle into a tire, get well away and around a corner or behind a tree and touch 'er off with a cord.
Then he will have a casing he can have people look at, if nothing else!
Sounds like either he is a moron, or we are and he is a trolling us right into the boat!
Oh, the guy from Houghton, (in the Great State of Michigan) objecting to my language. The further north and west you go in the Upper, the more Finns and real Youpers your run into. And, the more they swear! I'm from Laurium, we didn't lead the sheltered life they must now have at the college. If I offended somebody, that's too bad. Didn't get the attention of the right one!
Anyway, don't tell me to "tone it down", when I'm not talking to you, Buttinski.

taa, cs :D
 
Hey, Savage,

If you want to pose as a superior being, you will need to to pay better attention.

I stated that I have already fired the Mauser without any problems. And doing so was not insane because the rifle had already been fired a number of times without any issues. The rifle obviously has no headspace problems. But you may have.

Drakejake
 
Hooray, you are responding and paying attention! Now, if you could just picture me as a kind but stern uncle - lets go over a few things.

From your post :

Fired from the hip to guard against eye and face ...
Replaced the bolt ...
Old Peters amo had backing out of the primer ...
Friend said "probably caused by a headspace problem" ...
Headspace problem "too minor" ...

I have been around guns for a long time. So have many of the other posters on this board. If you would go over the warnings and suggestions you would only invest a small amount of money and time on what could be a big safety issue.
Oh, you shouldn't put that bolt with the frozen safety and something wrong with the firing pin back until it has been taken apart and put back into operating condition.
Also, lets stop with the insults. Not neccessary at all. I don't need the internet for those, my ex calls from time to time!

taa, cs :D
 
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