Sergeant Sabre
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What kind of scope is that on the RB picture? It looks like the objective lens is getting fried by the gasses coming out of the barrel ports!!!!! 
shot a 454 Casull today
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P95Carry
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Sgt - it is a long eye relief 2-6x30 Bushnell ....... in fact yeah - it does get fried!!
However, the part that gets the frying is the shroud around objective lens ....... and it (the ''charring!'') won't clean off ... the lens itself tho is just fine, tho a film forms ... but easily cleaned off.
It is probably a price to pay I guess ... and as the flash of flame is such short duration - nothing melts ..... just gets ''sooted'' a bit!!
Valkman
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Love that pic! I hadn't seen it before - awesome!
Last night I shot my Kimber 10mm and my used 629 for the first time, and it was also my first time shooting those calibers. I loaded the .44Mag rounds with 23.0gr of W296 under a 240gr Ranier bullet, so it wasn't a max load but still stout. I shot 24 of those and switched to the .454 - these rounds have 28.5gr of H110 under a 300gr coated bullet. The difference in recoil is like night and day! The .454 must have 5 times the recoil plus it pushes back so hard, where the .44 just kind of snapped hard. I loved shooting both, but am amazed how different they are.
Last night I shot my Kimber 10mm and my used 629 for the first time, and it was also my first time shooting those calibers. I loaded the .44Mag rounds with 23.0gr of W296 under a 240gr Ranier bullet, so it wasn't a max load but still stout. I shot 24 of those and switched to the .454 - these rounds have 28.5gr of H110 under a 300gr coated bullet. The difference in recoil is like night and day! The .454 must have 5 times the recoil plus it pushes back so hard, where the .44 just kind of snapped hard. I loved shooting both, but am amazed how different they are.
P95Carry
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Don .... with SAAMI figures around 65,000 for the .454 ... that helps explain the ''feel''!
The Casull ..... has a recoil which is somewhat ''brutal'' .. tho heck - I love it! The .44 mag by comparison is ''strong'' ... enough thru my 629 to get uncomfortable but - thru SRH with 9 1/2" bbl ... not bad at all.
The .454 is .. well ... what? ''High oomph'' ..... yeah!??
The Casull ..... has a recoil which is somewhat ''brutal'' .. tho heck - I love it! The .44 mag by comparison is ''strong'' ... enough thru my 629 to get uncomfortable but - thru SRH with 9 1/2" bbl ... not bad at all.
The .454 is .. well ... what? ''High oomph'' ..... yeah!??
RCL
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As others have stated, a big factor in felt recoil is the gun you are shooting. To me, my brothers .454 SuperRedhawk recoils harder than my Freedom Arms .454, even though it is heavier and gets shot with a slightly milder load. The Super gripframe pushes the gun back into your hand, while the FA gripframe rolls, absorbing a lot (not all!) of the recoil.
patentmike
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I found that the SRH stings a little too much. I was wondering if the Bisley or Blackhawk might work better for this beast.
".454 SuperRedhawk recoils harder than my Freedom Arms .454"
Sounds like it would.
".454 SuperRedhawk recoils harder than my Freedom Arms .454"
Sounds like it would.
Timor
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My 2 cents worth
Long time ago shot a 7 1/2" Freedoms Arms 454 - stout, but not unshootable.
Six months ago shot a 7 1/2" Super Redhawk 454 - 6 shots and had to stop from pain in knuckle of middle finger
Two weeks later shot same gun with Hogue rubber grips - stout, but not unshootable (middle finger much happier)
One month ago shot 8 3/8" S&W 500 - stout, but more pleasant than either of the above 454 (shot Hornady 350gr).
One thing about the Smith I didn't care for was the cylinder didn't advance when thumb cocking after 2 of 10 shots fired. I understand that's a problem from trigger finger bouncing back against trigger during recoil. I wonder if a stronger trigger spring would cure that?
Long time ago shot a 7 1/2" Freedoms Arms 454 - stout, but not unshootable.
Six months ago shot a 7 1/2" Super Redhawk 454 - 6 shots and had to stop from pain in knuckle of middle finger
Two weeks later shot same gun with Hogue rubber grips - stout, but not unshootable (middle finger much happier)
One month ago shot 8 3/8" S&W 500 - stout, but more pleasant than either of the above 454 (shot Hornady 350gr).
One thing about the Smith I didn't care for was the cylinder didn't advance when thumb cocking after 2 of 10 shots fired. I understand that's a problem from trigger finger bouncing back against trigger during recoil. I wonder if a stronger trigger spring would cure that?
VonFatman
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I'm with you!!
BozemanMT,
I got the "opportunity" to shoot one at a local range a few yers ago...OH MAN did that thing kick. It was a Taurus and it was not fun...the owner had loaded it up with "full house" ammo...
One shot downrange was all I needed. He said "Hey, there's 4 more rounds in there"...I smiled, opened the cylinder, and handed it back.
I appreciated his letting me shoot the gun, but I did not enjoy the recoil.
I can shoot my .44 mag. all day and not feel such pain.
Live and learn.
Bob
BozemanMT,
I got the "opportunity" to shoot one at a local range a few yers ago...OH MAN did that thing kick. It was a Taurus and it was not fun...the owner had loaded it up with "full house" ammo...
One shot downrange was all I needed. He said "Hey, there's 4 more rounds in there"...I smiled, opened the cylinder, and handed it back.
I appreciated his letting me shoot the gun, but I did not enjoy the recoil.
I can shoot my .44 mag. all day and not feel such pain.
Live and learn.
Bob
Paul "Fitz" Jones
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Reloader for the 45LC and 454
Well I guess this is a very good place to mention that I have an excellent condition Star Universal Reloader for .45Long Colt and .454 looking for an appreciative home. Have accessories and new parts for it also.
Paul
Well I guess this is a very good place to mention that I have an excellent condition Star Universal Reloader for .45Long Colt and .454 looking for an appreciative home. Have accessories and new parts for it also.
Paul
I own a .480 SRH, and have shot the .454 version. they both kick like four mules. PAST gloves are a must for me, otherwise 6 shots with the .480 and I am done. That's with 325's at 1300 fps. The .480 can drive 370's at 1500 fps, which oughta give you true inner beauty
One of these days I oughta shoot a FA in either .454 or .480. You see plenty of them used, for sale, also.
One of these days I oughta shoot a FA in either .454 or .480. You see plenty of them used, for sale, also.
targetshootr
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That just means you need to work on your biceps and forearms a bit more. Go on the Popeye
A plumber buddy calls me Popeye for that reason. I used to run lots of 3" rigid conduit with a 24" pipe wrench in each hand. And the gun still got away from me.
A plumber buddy calls me Popeye for that reason. I used to run lots of 3" rigid conduit with a 24" pipe wrench in each hand. And the gun still got away from me.
TonyB
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I shot about 12 rounds out of a buddy's 480 SRH..that was enough for me...I don't hunt,and am not into hurting myself,so I have no need for one.but if you nuts want to shoot these bad boys..more power to ya
Hi, Ladies and Gentlemen:
Actually I own a F-A M83 .454 Casull w/6" barrel for a couple of years. Back then, I bought it because I thought I absolutely must have a powerful revolver in my shooting battery. Call me a wimp, but I don't enjoy shooting this beautiful and exceptionally well-made gun very much, at least not with full-house ammunition. In my opinion, the worst isn't the actual recoil force to the hands and joints but rather the very fast muzzle rise that bothers me the most. After shooting a couple of rounds I start flinching.
After my fellow shooters have seen me enduring me the recoil force and muzzle rise, virtually all refuse to touch off a round when I offer them to shoot my F-A.
Frankly spoken, my personal level of recoil tolerance ends with a full power .44 Mag. or a carefully handloaded "hot" .45 Colt load (used in my Blackhawk).
I can't part with the F-A, however, as it's too good a gun. I would shoot this gun much more regularly if I had a fitted cylinder in cal. .45 Colt or .45 ACP available for this gun.
I have read awhile back that using .45 Colt rounds in a F-A .454 might damage the cylinder bores, provided they can be loaded into the tight chambers, so I've refrained from doing this. Obviously, there's no problem shooting .45 Colt rounds in the Taurus .454 Raging Bull and Ruger SRH .454, so I don't know whether that "warning" concerning the F-A is valid. Any informations to share?
In advance, thank you for your responses.
Actually I own a F-A M83 .454 Casull w/6" barrel for a couple of years. Back then, I bought it because I thought I absolutely must have a powerful revolver in my shooting battery. Call me a wimp, but I don't enjoy shooting this beautiful and exceptionally well-made gun very much, at least not with full-house ammunition. In my opinion, the worst isn't the actual recoil force to the hands and joints but rather the very fast muzzle rise that bothers me the most. After shooting a couple of rounds I start flinching.
After my fellow shooters have seen me enduring me the recoil force and muzzle rise, virtually all refuse to touch off a round when I offer them to shoot my F-A.
Frankly spoken, my personal level of recoil tolerance ends with a full power .44 Mag. or a carefully handloaded "hot" .45 Colt load (used in my Blackhawk).
I can't part with the F-A, however, as it's too good a gun. I would shoot this gun much more regularly if I had a fitted cylinder in cal. .45 Colt or .45 ACP available for this gun.
I have read awhile back that using .45 Colt rounds in a F-A .454 might damage the cylinder bores, provided they can be loaded into the tight chambers, so I've refrained from doing this. Obviously, there's no problem shooting .45 Colt rounds in the Taurus .454 Raging Bull and Ruger SRH .454, so I don't know whether that "warning" concerning the F-A is valid. Any informations to share?
In advance, thank you for your responses.
Gordy Wesen
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somebody should post the video of the middle eastern fellow losing the rifle he was shooting. that was recoil.
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Masochist!
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RCL
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TK73.... .45 Colt in a .454 Freedom Arms
There is no problem with shooting .45 Colt ammo in a .454 FA. Where you have to be careful is in cleaning the gun after, before you shoot the longer Casull round (cleaning away the powder residue built up where the end of the .45 Colt case is in the cylinder).
I've shot many .45 Colt's in my FA. I use the same crimp die when loading either .45 Colt or .454 Casull, a Lee Factory Crimp Die. This die sizes down enough for either round to fit easily in the FA cylinder, and provides the added benefit of a large amount of case neck tension.
There is no problem with shooting .45 Colt ammo in a .454 FA. Where you have to be careful is in cleaning the gun after, before you shoot the longer Casull round (cleaning away the powder residue built up where the end of the .45 Colt case is in the cylinder).
I've shot many .45 Colt's in my FA. I use the same crimp die when loading either .45 Colt or .454 Casull, a Lee Factory Crimp Die. This die sizes down enough for either round to fit easily in the FA cylinder, and provides the added benefit of a large amount of case neck tension.
Dear Gordy Wesen: I saw that video clip, too, and yeah, that was recoil. However, the gentlemen who pressed the trigger appeared to me as being not very experienced when it comes to shooting powerful, dangerous game rifles. Although, I hope, the guy wasn't seriously injured from recoil, I admit that I had a good laugh.
Have you noticed the cracked window door after the rifle impacted on it?
I don't know but I suspect that it was a big .577 Tyrannosaur, right?
I hope, the rifle wasn't damaged too badly either...
Dear RCL: Thank you for your valuable information on shooting .45 Colt rounds in F-A .454 Casull chambers. With this knowledge, my objections against doing it are less now. I guess, I simply have to try it out during my next visit to the shooting range. Allright, I'll take great care in removing all powder residue from the .454 cyl. bores after shooting. Again, thanks and stay safe!
Have you noticed the cracked window door after the rifle impacted on it?
I don't know but I suspect that it was a big .577 Tyrannosaur, right?
I hope, the rifle wasn't damaged too badly either...
Dear RCL: Thank you for your valuable information on shooting .45 Colt rounds in F-A .454 Casull chambers. With this knowledge, my objections against doing it are less now. I guess, I simply have to try it out during my next visit to the shooting range. Allright, I'll take great care in removing all powder residue from the .454 cyl. bores after shooting. Again, thanks and stay safe!
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