Shot vs Buckshot load data

[nooooobie]

1. Thanks to this forum, I understand that shotshell reloading is very different from brass cartridge reloading. There is no "start at minimum and work up." One uses the exact formula offered, other than maybe equivalent-wad substitution, and, if one knows what one is doing, similar hull substitutions (tapered vs. non-tapered, for example.)
2. That said, I can find plenty of formulas for lead shot loads that use Titewad, but not a single buckshot load formula. Also, no slug formulas.
3. I have 8 lbs. of Titewad that I would like to use ... and I'm not a wing/clay shooter. I accept that there's a good chance I can't use it.

question: is it the fact that buckshot doesn't pack tightly, and hence, requires a longer hull for a given weight, that makes Titewad unusable? Just trying to understand.

 

[Owen]

I don't have an answer for you, but I do have a suggestion:

Drop an email to Ballistic Products and see what they have to say. http://www.ballisticproducts.com/

I'd also point out that they have a buckshot reloading manual.

 

[gamestalker]

Give me a little time, like several hours, and I'll see what I can find in my shot shell books. I don't have a whole bunch of recent shot shell data, some, but I have tons that is at least 15 years old, and it does contain a good deal of slug and buck data.

GS

 

[au_prospector]

There are no buckshot Titewad recipes in my Lymans #5. That said, you count pellets, not weigh them. Because they are bigger than pellets, many recipes call for felt or card type spacers and some call for buffer. I cannot describe the buffer other than think of corn meal type powder that would take up the space between buck shot pellets. The spacers take up space so you can crimp and the buffer allows you to arrange the buck evenly inside your shell without them shifting around.

Otherwise trade it for something you can use I guess. DONT confuse it with Tightgroup. Just saying. . .

 

[gamestalker]

Well, I spent a lot of time going through my shot shell recipes and books and can't find anything for "slug" or "buck". And as already stated, don't confuse "Tite Group" with "Tite Wad".

I checked Lyman, and also went through just about everything I have for Buck and Slug data, and I also cross referenced using hulls and powders hoping to locate at least one recipe that would give you something published with Tite Wad, nothing at all.

I did find data for Tite Wad though. It isn't described as a powder for "slugs" or "Buck Shot" loads though. And since loading buck is not a real common area of shot shell loading in comparison to shot, data for such is not very abundant and is limited to only a few recipe's which often require the use of specific wad systems and additional components like multiple and varying size cards as per load, buffers, and even primers specific to the recipe's.

I've posted a couple less cumbersome published slug and buck shot recipe's as follows. Do not substitute with different buck shot sizes unless indicated as per published recipe!

Buck
Hull - 2-3/4" Comp. Formed Plastic (Fold Crimp)
Powder - Blue Dot 34.0 grs.
Primer - Win. 209
Wad - One WAA12R
#1 Buck = 15 pellets
Pressure Est. 10,000 LUP
FPS = 1306

Hull - 2-3/4" Comp Formed Plastic (Fold Crimp)
Powder - Blue Dot 38.0 grs.
Primer - Win. 209
Wad - WAA12R
#0 Buck = 10 pellets
Pressure Est. 9,100 LUP
FPS = 1374

Slug

Hull - 2-3/4" Win. Comp. Formed Plastic (Fold Crimp)
Powder - Blue Dot 44.0 grs.
Primer - Win. 209
Wad - One WAA12R
Slug = Lyman Sabot 525 gr.
Pressure Est. 9,200 psi
FPS = 1474

I do have quite a bit of additional slug and buck data, but I'm not comfortable posting any more than what I've already provided. It's just too darn easy to make a mistake. With that said, I strongly recommend that you invest in some shot shell books that are up to date, which gives you the ability to have first hand reliable data at your finger tips.

GS

 

[Tolkachi Robotnik]

Quick powders don't go with slugs and buck.

I can remember an earlier post question with someone trying to do slugs with 700X. It just isn't done, does not work the same way as an ounce load of small shot. Pressure peaks too quick and the slug doesn't start as well as an ounce of small shot.

Titewad would imply little powder per load. That would imply a fast powder. You probably will find Unique is about as fast a powder listed for slugs and buck, and that in older data.

Good luck, be safe. I would recommend something like HS7. You do have to follow data perfectly for buckshot loads. Sometimes you stack the shot in layers as specified.

 

[oneounceload]

Titewad works very well in light target loads - I load 3/4oz 12 gauge target loads with it and it does very well. Heavy buck loads are not its forte.

 

[nooooobie]

Thank you all

Thank you for your help. Titewad is a very fast powder (Hodgdon ranks it #6 from fastest-to-slowest among hundreds of powders.) Too fast for "slug"gish loads. I won't "buck" the advice given here! Good news is that Hodgdon has a few loads (including one Speer jacketed round load) that use Titewad for .45ACP. So I can use it up there. I have some HS-6 left and I'll use that for my buck/slug (again using Hodgdon factory recommendations.) All is good. Thanks.

 

[RMc]

Please explain why Titewad would not work for the same weight of small lead shot or buckshot?

Why would you not load buckshot by payload weight?