Shotgun for general hunting

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I plan on hunting this year. Where I live, I have access to dove, quail, chuckers, ducks /geese--not too far turkeys. Is there a shotgun that will do for all of these. I mean in terms of bbl length. I am assuming 12 gauge. Also, it would be nice to double as HD. I would prefer a semi over pump, but it is not necessary. My buddy tells me that my single shot 20 gauge will do fine, but I am not so confident with only one shot.

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For the price of an autoloader 12 gauge, you could probably walk away with a Mossberg 500 with a short barrel and a longer barrel.

Heck, then you could even get a fully-rifled barrel for saboted slugs, should you wish to also use it as a fairly close-quarters deer/black bear gun (say 100 yards and closer using the factory HiViz open sights provided on the slug barrel).
 
What do YOU want? Want the semi? Get it or kick yourself after for not doing so. Want a pump, O/U, SxS? Same reasoning. Find a gun that FITS - since you mention waterfowl, go with the 12 - personally I would go with the semi - pumps are cheap, but as a jack-of-all-trades, master-of-none, I find them lacking as a hunting gun
 
Get the best gun/action that fits you. You cant shoot well with a gun thats not right. From there, hit the skeet range. If your tuned up, it doesnt matter what gauge you shoot.

IMO, stay away from the 20 gauges for duck and geese. They are tougher to get to pattern as well as a 12 does naturally-
 
I am ignorant here. Honestly, most of my direct information comes from my students who hunt. I would ask them but they are on vacation. I thought about the Mossbergs, as they are always on sale at Big 5. They seem reasonably priced, aand as many of you mentioned you can get the different size barrels. All of my experience with shotguns is with single shots.
Question: How hard are follow up shots for a pump. I don't mind spending more on a semi, but if its not necessary I would go with a pump as it seems they are cheaper, and there are more choices.

So far its Mossberg!
Thanks all!
 
There are hundreds of shotguns that will do what you are asking of them in all of the action types. What will quickly narrow down the list is how much money you intend to spend.

As for the “confidence with only one shot”, that should be with every shot despite how many are available.
 
Question: How hard are follow up shots for a pump. I don't mind spending more on a semi, but if its not necessary I would go with a pump as it seems they are cheaper, and there are more choices.

With a little practice you will have a new round shucked in by the time you recover from recoil. Don't worry about it.
 
I've taken an amazing amount of stuff with pumpguns, specifically Remington's great 870s.
As for the shuck, I can get off a second, EFFECTIVE shot faster than good hands with some semi autos. Expertise is the key.

Either an 870 with two barrels or that Mossberg combo will serve several generations of your family well, though the 870 may last longer.

Get the one that feels best, shoot it until it feels like a body part and have fun, food and protection for a pittance.
 
I sympathize with you but don't worry, you'll find what works for you. I have owned lots of shotguns and personally am happy not to have to do the one-gun-for-everything deal. BUT, if that is your situation my personal experience would favor a 12 ga. semi-auto with a 24" barrel with interchangeable choke tubes, or a 12 ga. over/under with 24" or 26" barrels (again with interchangeable tubes). In either gun, get a 3" chamber if possible, as it expands your options in ammo selection. I shot pumps for years and loved them but once I got used to the semi and O/U I never went back. You'll find semi-autos lower priced generally than O/Us, and you will have 4 or 5 shots instead of 2, which may be an advantage in some situations. The 12 ga. will suffice for all the hunting you mention (as well as target games and defense), the 24" barrel (or 26", that would be fine too) will handle well without being bulky. Beyond that, as other posts say, try to get to a gun show and handle different brands to see what feels good to you.
 
It's really not about what action you use, so much as the gun's handling characteristics. I have no love for pumps, but a heavy, slow-swinging semiauto won't work any better on quail than a heavy, slow-swinging pump gun. Neither will a heavy, slow O/U, or a heavy, slow SxS. And in the steel-shot world, a 28 Gauge SxS, while it might be the ticket for Western Quail in heavy brush, isn't worth a damn on ducks, to say nothing of geese!

Doves can be shot with nearly anything, since hunting is usually stationary. If you are walking around, though, a light, quick gun is only way to go. Doves sure don't always fly straight, so a quick, light gun can be of value even when you're hunting from a chair. People do, however, bag some doves every year with their goose guns.

However, if you're hunting Western Quail and Chukar, don't plan on getting on target with a 12 Gauge pump. Slow guns and fast birds don't mix. If you don't have a good pointing dog, that's goes double. No, triple. By the time an 870 Express 12 Gauge goes from carrying to your shoulder and pointing at the quail, the quail is behind the next bush or rock.

IME a 12 Gauge pump gun is a big mistake to use for any of that hunting. I bagged all of those birds this past season, BTW, so this is not mere speculation. Only one (a single quail) was with a 12, it was incidental when my dog flushed out a covey of California Quail when we were looking for Pheasant. I took 4 shots to hit a bird in that fast-moving covey, and the gun I had was a semiauto that weighed 1/2 lb. less than my 870 does.

Now for ducks and geese, 12 Gauge is standard. The decent ammo that doesn't cost too much is 12 Gauge. Serious waterfowling is done with 12, and sometimes even 10 for long shots on geese. Carry weight and quickness aren't real factors; a heavier, slower gun can be best on waterfowl, that move differently from small, fast upland birds.

The bottom line? You probably ought to decide first, what you want to hunt most, and get the appropriate gun first. A 6-7 lb. 20 Gauge of any sort is where to start, for those upland birds. A 12 Gauge heavy enough to be kind to your shoulder is the starting point for the waterfowl. Pheasant and duck guns overlap, but quail/chukar and duck/goose guns generally don't. Beretta has done their level best to make a true all-purpose gun with the A400, which is a 12 Gauge that weighs well under 7 lbs., shoots everything from light target ammo to 3.5" goose and turkey loads, and can be had with a shock-absorbing butt so you don't blow your shoulder off with the latter. But it sure ain't cheap, and for the money I probably would rather have two guns, tailored for their purposes.

This is not some sort of "gun snobbery", BTW. It comes from my experience trying to hunt these fast upland birds in the high desert near the Mexican border, with a 12 Gauge 870. It convinced me only that I needed to get a different gun for that sort of hunting -- just like a .22LR isn't a great deer gun, nor a .375H&H the best choice for cottontails.
 
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Get a pump-gun first. You can decide to get an autoloader later. Try Rem. 870, Mossbert 500, Browning BPS. See which feels best to you. All three are last-several-lifetimes guns. There are others, but, IMNSHO, these are the three main players. My best years hunting (age 12-27) were spent with an 870 Wingmaster, fixed chock.
 
Listen to your gut. You can become an effective hunter with either pump or semi-auto -- I still sometimes try to pump my sem-automatic. I also favor 16-gauge -- tradeoffs with size and kick. (I am small-framed.) Hunting is supposed to be fun and it is the most fun when you are the most effective, but any day in the field wiht a gun in hand and dogs is better than a day in the office.
 
ArmedBear, thanks for the advice. I really like the taste of upland birds. A six to seven pound 20 gauge. I'm looking. Also, what then about barel length? I'm leaning toword the upland birds.
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A six to seven pound 20 gauge. I'm looking. Also, what then about barel length? I'm leaning toword the upland birds.
Thanks

With this focus I really love my wife’s 20 ga 1100 LT for this job. Barrel length depends on other factors I have used everything from 21-26”.
 
First - a 6-7 pound 20? If it weighs over 6.5#, get the 12- a good 20 will weigh from 5#12oz to 6# 6oz...........there are some 12's that weigh on the heavy end of that spectrum, but they are few and expensive......if your goal is upland, a good 20 at 6 pounds in the action type you like is the gun to go for..........personally, my upland favorites are right at 6#, 20 gauge, O/U or SxS................find the one that fits you first...THEN worry about the budget..........you'll be surprised how it will fall into place
 
Yay you got the right advice, so now you'll get a softer shooting gun that does all the necessary work. For once, common sense prevails on THR. I use a 20g wingmaster with iron sights on a slug barrel and hit birds better than someone I know who uses a proper vent rib barrel with bead sights, but we are shooting birds at short range...try and feel and look down everything, guns are personal.
 
i much prefer a pump shotgun than a semi auto. you have full control of the bolt vs the semi auto it's a bit trickier to load and pump in my opinion is just more reliable. with that being said you will be happy with a 12 gauge. get an remington 870 or mossberg 500. both are cheap and have an excellent track record. i like the 870. great combo on the rifled barrel and smoothbore above. here around the hunting season dicks sporting goods sells a similar combo for a little over 300. comes with cantilever rifled barrel with scope, smooth bore barrel with a few chokes, interchangable cheek rest. great package for the price.
 
my .02
Remingington makes a fine gun in either auto or pump.
You will be proud of it and probably leave it to your grandkids when you are gone.
You will never wear it out.
They put the safety where it belongs, not where it will be accidentally disengaged.

For the hunting options you mentioned....by all means... get the 12 ga.

Don't fall for a cheap import o/u or sxs they won't stand the test of time.The innards of such guns are too intricate to be made cheaply.

I have spoken
 
Some will poo faw me, but if you want to do much goose hunting and want to be able to afford the ammo, I'd suggest a Mossberg 835 Ultimag with the 3.5' chamber. It'll shoot dove loads just fine. It'll swing a little slower than a 3' gun, but not THAT much, and you'll appreciate those 3.5" Ts when the geese just won't drop down under 40-50 yards. Fasteel loads have gotten a lot better in recent years, but the 3.5" gun gives you the choice of near 10 gauge payload. With that shotgun, with not a LOT of compromise, you can hunt anything that flies, even rabbits and squirrels that don't fly.
 
Buying trends have changed much since I was a young man. But upland game and shooting situations remain the same. I shoot best with double barrel 16 gauge (side by side). Chokes are modified and extra full. The modified barrel is more open - almost like an improved cylinder.

I often hunt with my Grandad's ancient single shot in 16 gauge. It's a featherweight and points nicely.

Waterfowl hunters will be disappointed with 16 gauge because lack of non-lead shells. But there might be a few mail order sources.

The 12 gauge has become America's favorite. But I'm old fashioned and cling to the old guns.

TR
 
TR - if ALL I did was hut upland and not shoot targets, I hear ya - I would have a 16 weighing about 6.5# or less on a 20 frame and a 28 weighing 5.75 to 6.0. The 16 for big birds, the 28 for little ones................
 
I have an old 16 gauge single shot I haven't even fired in 25 years. I was given it by my uncle when I started goose hunting as a kid. It's got a 30" full choke barrel. 16 is virtually dead around here. Most of the hunting is goose and duck hunting. Dove hunting is big. There's a smattering of quail hunting, but I don't do it, requires land and a dog. I had quail on my place when I bought it in 88, but I think the hogs have killed 'em off. I never hear 'em at sun up anymore. The place is ate up with hogs.

As most 16s are older guns and not rated for steel shot, they're pretty worthless in the marsh. 12 rules, 10 gauge is mildly popular on geese, and 20 has a small following mostly of dove hunters. For the one gun hunter down here, the 12 is the only gun built, period, case closed. You might get away with the 20 as your all around one gun if you don't duck or goose hunt, just chase upland stuff. But, I've found 3" 20 gauge doesn't even come close to pattering as well as 12s with 2-4 steel shot loads. So, I only take my 20 out for doves anymore. I have 3 12 gauges, my old SxS is retired due to steel shot rules. And, the 10 gauge is a goose specialist. It'd be a great gun to take if I ever get to chase turkeys again, though. Tosses a wicked tight pattern with the turkey choke installed and shooting number 6 lead reloads.

I was once a one gun guy, but not anymore. I kinda like a variety. One thing, too, when I'm dove hunting, I will often use my 12 gauge Winchester autoloader if they're flying high. I swing it smoother on those high passers than I do my little 20 which is a better gun if they're zooming in dodging and darting.and not exceeding 30 yards. Oh, it'll reach out there 40 yards with a mod choke in the left barrel, but it just takes more concentration to swing it smooth on those high fliers.
 
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