NIGHTWATCH
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Are shotgunners more easy going and fun than riflemen? 
I mean, they seem to get their panties in a bunch so quickly.
I mean, they seem to get their panties in a bunch so quickly.
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yeah I think so...
Except those mean old trapshooters, talk about anal j/k
Except those mean old trapshooters, talk about anal j/k
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I think it's the people, not the sport/competition/game they prefer.
I mean I'll admit I've shot my share of scatterloads...25k a year easy.
Some of the most hard-headed bunch on AWB and such are the scatterbore folks " well they won't be after my O/U..."
Gotta admit tho' ... we DO "rationalize" well.
-Can't miss with all them pellets.
-Missed because of all them pellets
-Forgot the pellets in the last batch I reloaded.
-Heck of lot easier to see and pick up big red hulls than brass
-You try hitting a moving target
-I can do it 25 times in a row and in 8 different positions [top that]
-On a good day I can do it 100 times in a row in 8 different positions [ top that again I say]
-We get to shoot red, yellow, lavender, green, purple, blue...etc.
-We get to shoot plastic or paper [kinda like the grocery store]
-We can use tubes in our bbls...try that with an '06
-We get to lose choke tubes and wrenches
-We can have a coin and a bore...granted it only proves we have a coin and a bore, but a rifle shooter looks plain stupid doing this.
-A busted bbl off a single shot makes a better cheater bar.
-We get a cool thingie to press that throws birds at the push of a button.
-We get to trip over the cord too.
-We shoot at pattern boards
-Pattern boards with only a dot
-THEN we draw a circle...
-We therefore have no life, but we can count and play with sharpies.
-Bringing home 20k hulls takes up more room that 20K 22lr bullets
-Wives can yell louder because of above
-One can stuff more C notes in the bbl of 12 bore than a '06 bore
-No, I won't tell how I know this
-"Bought a new shotgun dear?...good for you".
-No C notes in 12 bore anymore...but gotta new SG in the safe
-We can make a bigger mess when we spill shot
Its the people not the sport...
I mean I'll admit I've shot my share of scatterloads...25k a year easy.
Some of the most hard-headed bunch on AWB and such are the scatterbore folks " well they won't be after my O/U..."
Gotta admit tho' ... we DO "rationalize" well.
-Can't miss with all them pellets.
-Missed because of all them pellets
-Forgot the pellets in the last batch I reloaded.
-Heck of lot easier to see and pick up big red hulls than brass
-You try hitting a moving target
-I can do it 25 times in a row and in 8 different positions [top that]
-On a good day I can do it 100 times in a row in 8 different positions [ top that again I say]
-We get to shoot red, yellow, lavender, green, purple, blue...etc.
-We get to shoot plastic or paper [kinda like the grocery store]
-We can use tubes in our bbls...try that with an '06
-We get to lose choke tubes and wrenches
-We can have a coin and a bore...granted it only proves we have a coin and a bore, but a rifle shooter looks plain stupid doing this.
-A busted bbl off a single shot makes a better cheater bar.
-We get a cool thingie to press that throws birds at the push of a button.
-We get to trip over the cord too.
-We shoot at pattern boards
-Pattern boards with only a dot
-THEN we draw a circle...
-We therefore have no life, but we can count and play with sharpies.
-Bringing home 20k hulls takes up more room that 20K 22lr bullets
-Wives can yell louder because of above
-One can stuff more C notes in the bbl of 12 bore than a '06 bore
-No, I won't tell how I know this
-"Bought a new shotgun dear?...good for you".
-No C notes in 12 bore anymore...but gotta new SG in the safe
-We can make a bigger mess when we spill shot
Its the people not the sport...
Dave McCracken
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Most shotgunners are quite friendly, though some trapshooters need to work on their people skills a bit. The story about skeet shooters eating their dead has not been substantiated.
Benchrest rifle shooters have a rep as obsessive/compulsive detail freaks. Some are, but many of the worst smitten are friendly once they realize you're not there to steal their secret handload recipe or bedding tweaks.
Practical competition has a larger proportion of flaming jerks,IMO,but in large part that's due to demographics. Younger folks comprise a larger segment of those sports and young men are usually louts. Most outlive it.
Hi Power rifle shooters are a great bunch, though most are slow to accept new people. BTW, these make great hunting pards, they obsess over safety and most are quite fit. They love helping older men drag out their deer.
Olympic style pistol shooters tend to be intellectuals, though some of the smartest dress like farmers and stick to short sentences when shooting. Do NOT go for a "Friendly little side bet" with these.
Sporting Clays shooters are a decent bunch for the most part. They tend to have more discretionary income and Italian O/Us than the rest of us. I can find it in my heart to forgive them for that. They also tend to leave once fired STS hulls behind. I can forgive that also...
The Bozo Factor applies to all human endeavor, including the shooting sports. Luckily, or by Cosmic Plan, jerks are still a minority in our sports. Of course, some COULD be offed on the QT and sunk,weighted with ammo and choke tubes in the middle of that little pond between the downhill rabbit and the tower mallard report pair, but I dunno anything about that....
Snobs are around, overproud of their high dollar stuff. Outshooting these folks tends to be easy. Many spend way too much on shotguns and not enough on ammo and even lessons. Busting more clays than the guy with the Perazzi and attitude while using an 870 with skateboard tape on the grip to do it is one of life's finer moments.Savor it, like a dram of Glenfiddich...
Benchrest rifle shooters have a rep as obsessive/compulsive detail freaks. Some are, but many of the worst smitten are friendly once they realize you're not there to steal their secret handload recipe or bedding tweaks.
Practical competition has a larger proportion of flaming jerks,IMO,but in large part that's due to demographics. Younger folks comprise a larger segment of those sports and young men are usually louts. Most outlive it.
Hi Power rifle shooters are a great bunch, though most are slow to accept new people. BTW, these make great hunting pards, they obsess over safety and most are quite fit. They love helping older men drag out their deer.
Olympic style pistol shooters tend to be intellectuals, though some of the smartest dress like farmers and stick to short sentences when shooting. Do NOT go for a "Friendly little side bet" with these.
Sporting Clays shooters are a decent bunch for the most part. They tend to have more discretionary income and Italian O/Us than the rest of us. I can find it in my heart to forgive them for that. They also tend to leave once fired STS hulls behind. I can forgive that also...
The Bozo Factor applies to all human endeavor, including the shooting sports. Luckily, or by Cosmic Plan, jerks are still a minority in our sports. Of course, some COULD be offed on the QT and sunk,weighted with ammo and choke tubes in the middle of that little pond between the downhill rabbit and the tower mallard report pair, but I dunno anything about that....
Snobs are around, overproud of their high dollar stuff. Outshooting these folks tends to be easy. Many spend way too much on shotguns and not enough on ammo and even lessons. Busting more clays than the guy with the Perazzi and attitude while using an 870 with skateboard tape on the grip to do it is one of life's finer moments.Savor it, like a dram of Glenfiddich...
Rifle shooters are "stiffs".
They don't like things to change or move. If you want to irritate a rifleman, just move a bit to the right or left/front and back when you talk to them.
Or, just tell them you don't own a cleaning rod for your shotgun.
But, I wouldn't yell insults at them at 500 yards either.
They don't like things to change or move. If you want to irritate a rifleman, just move a bit to the right or left/front and back when you talk to them.
Or, just tell them you don't own a cleaning rod for your shotgun.
But, I wouldn't yell insults at them at 500 yards either.
Here's my take FWIW. Shotgunning is more fun than the other shooting sports. I left rifle shooting behind when I realized just how dull it was to spending hours loading only to shoot little groups into pieces of paper. The various handgunning pursuits were no better.
Because it's fun more people do it just for the fun. Without the intense competitive pressure tempers tend to be a bit calmer. They want to shoot well but missing a target doesn't ruin their entire day.
Serious competitions tend to bring out a more intense crowd. Because the Amateur Trapshooting Association is the largest shooting organization, it offers more competitive opportunities to trapshooters. Trapshooting at the highest levels is competitive to the point where missing your first target means you might as well pack up for the day. Unfortunately, some trapshooters carry their competition intensity with them everywhere they go includng the practice field or at small regional shoots and are complete jerks.
Trapshooting is more of an individual pursuit. Even though you are up there with four other shooters, there isn't much interaction with them. In skeet and sporting clays there is more moving around and contact with other shooters. Sporting and skeet rounds take more time than trap and you are practically forced to be, if not sociable, at least civil. Trap is a better game for grumpy iconoclasts than the other two.
All of the above isn't an excuse for bad behavior on the trap line but possibly an explanation. It also explains why I gave up registered trap years ago and shoot fewer trap targets with each passing season.
Paul
Because it's fun more people do it just for the fun. Without the intense competitive pressure tempers tend to be a bit calmer. They want to shoot well but missing a target doesn't ruin their entire day.
Serious competitions tend to bring out a more intense crowd. Because the Amateur Trapshooting Association is the largest shooting organization, it offers more competitive opportunities to trapshooters. Trapshooting at the highest levels is competitive to the point where missing your first target means you might as well pack up for the day. Unfortunately, some trapshooters carry their competition intensity with them everywhere they go includng the practice field or at small regional shoots and are complete jerks.
Trapshooting is more of an individual pursuit. Even though you are up there with four other shooters, there isn't much interaction with them. In skeet and sporting clays there is more moving around and contact with other shooters. Sporting and skeet rounds take more time than trap and you are practically forced to be, if not sociable, at least civil. Trap is a better game for grumpy iconoclasts than the other two.
All of the above isn't an excuse for bad behavior on the trap line but possibly an explanation. It also explains why I gave up registered trap years ago and shoot fewer trap targets with each passing season.
Paul
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For kicks, I shoot trap, SC and highpower.
I would rate the highpower folks as the most friendly and helpful. Trap is generally pretty good around here, although you do get a small percentage of overly anal guys. Avoid them, and it's all good.
Sporting clays is a little different, since I'm usually going with a small group of people I already know. When I run into other groups of folks, they're uniformly pleasant... but I just don't interact with them much. I may have to shoot a couple of competitions just to see how they are in large numbers.
I would rate the highpower folks as the most friendly and helpful. Trap is generally pretty good around here, although you do get a small percentage of overly anal guys. Avoid them, and it's all good.
Sporting clays is a little different, since I'm usually going with a small group of people I already know. When I run into other groups of folks, they're uniformly pleasant... but I just don't interact with them much. I may have to shoot a couple of competitions just to see how they are in large numbers.
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I hunt with a 20 gauge OU and shoot clay targets occasionally.
However, it was a trap shooter who stated at a club meeting back in 1992 or 1993 that, "We should compromise with the antigunners and give up some stuff to keep what we have now." (Quote may be inaccurate due to the high blood pressure and fight or flight reflexes it generated in the rifle, pistol and subgun shooters also in attendance.)
HP rifle shooters and bowling pin shooters have been the most helpful in my experience. The local sporting clays honcho refused to let me shoot one day because I was 10 minutes late to the club.
Shotgun shooters also gave some friends so much hassle over club policies that they left and went to another club. There everyone seems to work together.
Am I bitter? Yes, occasionally. The club that works is a lot farther away from my house!
However, it was a trap shooter who stated at a club meeting back in 1992 or 1993 that, "We should compromise with the antigunners and give up some stuff to keep what we have now." (Quote may be inaccurate due to the high blood pressure and fight or flight reflexes it generated in the rifle, pistol and subgun shooters also in attendance.)
HP rifle shooters and bowling pin shooters have been the most helpful in my experience. The local sporting clays honcho refused to let me shoot one day because I was 10 minutes late to the club.
Shotgun shooters also gave some friends so much hassle over club policies that they left and went to another club. There everyone seems to work together.
Am I bitter? Yes, occasionally. The club that works is a lot farther away from my house!
I think its mainly the people, I've met good trap people and bad ones. Most people I meet have been helpful and I've been fortunate to shoot trap with mainly friends and their relatives which is always fun.
I haven't met a snob yet with their expensive 2k shotgun that wasn't willing to let me try their gun out and even shoot it for the entire day. I haven't met a guy/gal with an expensive gun that basically said it don't matter what you shoot as long as you love your gun.
But I've met plenty of folk (that aren't bad people mind you) that spend a good part of their day bad mouthing expensive guns and how their $50 so and so is great and how they can out shoot a twit with a 2k whatever anyday blah blah blah... I don't like that too much. I've noticed that if there was any twits on the range its the jealous ones, be it jealous of skill or jealous of an expensive gun.
I don't think you can say who is more rational or what not by the type of gun they shoot or what sport they choose. Its all about the person and how they love what they do and their gun.
I haven't met a snob yet with their expensive 2k shotgun that wasn't willing to let me try their gun out and even shoot it for the entire day. I haven't met a guy/gal with an expensive gun that basically said it don't matter what you shoot as long as you love your gun.
But I've met plenty of folk (that aren't bad people mind you) that spend a good part of their day bad mouthing expensive guns and how their $50 so and so is great and how they can out shoot a twit with a 2k whatever anyday blah blah blah... I don't like that too much. I've noticed that if there was any twits on the range its the jealous ones, be it jealous of skill or jealous of an expensive gun.
I don't think you can say who is more rational or what not by the type of gun they shoot or what sport they choose. Its all about the person and how they love what they do and their gun.
Andrew Wyatt
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I don't know about that, but the majority of the practical shooters i know are decent people, some of them are willing to go to infuriating lengths to bend the rules, though.
Being one of the shotgun folks I'm a little biased, but I believe all in all that more shotgunners are friendly than other shooting folks. Could be that because I don't shoot as much pistol or HP that I don't get to meet the good guys in these sports and just see some of the a$$'s that seem to be in the center of things,"no offense, I know lots of good guys shooting these sports". I took a few days off this week and went with the wife to Brown county Indiana so she could go through the craft shops for the day, and in return she let me stop at Indiana Gun club to shoot some skeet. I had not been there in 10-11 years and the first guy I see remembers me from my club about 5 years ago and greets me like a long lost friend. He wasn't shooting so he introduces me to another guy just going out to shoot skeet, never met him before and he's instantly a good friend. Well we shoot two rounds and I break a 49 and he breaks a 43 and he's asking for advice on technique and stance.... Anyway made a couple friends in about an hour and a half and had to get going on home,3 hour drive. Not the first time people go out of their way at a different shotgun club to make me feel welcome. But yes we have our share of a$$'s to.
But yes we have our share of a$$'s to. Dave McCracken
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Kampfer,I know plenty of folks with fine guns who are not snobs. It's the attitude I loathe, NOT the hardware.
One of the guys I shoot skeet with has a variety of fine doubles, he was mashing clays last night with a toothsome Francotte 20, and says he'll bring over his Westley Richards with "Bunny Ears" and let us try out a hammer gun.
Thanks to people like this, I got to try out a Kolar, a couple Purdeys, some Parkers, various gas guns,a K 80, a Remington 32 and a 3200, a scrumptious Model 21, a handful of B-guns and some Spanish Bests. None of these fine folks sneered at my 870s, most owned at least one.
And I lusted after every one of them. But until the little McCs finish committing my money to various institutions of higher learning, I'll stick to the 870, the Workingman's "Best". Meanwhile, I'll shoot next to friends with lethal art, shoot similar scores and derive much hilarity from that.
Andrew, the Lout Ratio is higher among the Practical types I know, but it's still a small minority. And, most of the louts get better with a little age. The break point for many is about 30.
And, I've had fine times with all the groups mentioned. I expect to have more, even with those of less than 30.
BTW, I wrote my first post on this with my tongue firmly inserted in cheek. I don't really think skeeters eat their dead or there's bodies out in the water hazard.
Out of all the shooting sports, the only ones I can think of I haven't tried are Biathalon,Live Pigeons/box birds, Helice, and airgun. Hsd fun with all, most with shotguns...
One of the guys I shoot skeet with has a variety of fine doubles, he was mashing clays last night with a toothsome Francotte 20, and says he'll bring over his Westley Richards with "Bunny Ears" and let us try out a hammer gun.
Thanks to people like this, I got to try out a Kolar, a couple Purdeys, some Parkers, various gas guns,a K 80, a Remington 32 and a 3200, a scrumptious Model 21, a handful of B-guns and some Spanish Bests. None of these fine folks sneered at my 870s, most owned at least one.
And I lusted after every one of them. But until the little McCs finish committing my money to various institutions of higher learning, I'll stick to the 870, the Workingman's "Best". Meanwhile, I'll shoot next to friends with lethal art, shoot similar scores and derive much hilarity from that.
Andrew, the Lout Ratio is higher among the Practical types I know, but it's still a small minority. And, most of the louts get better with a little age. The break point for many is about 30.
And, I've had fine times with all the groups mentioned. I expect to have more, even with those of less than 30.
BTW, I wrote my first post on this with my tongue firmly inserted in cheek. I don't really think skeeters eat their dead or there's bodies out in the water hazard.
Out of all the shooting sports, the only ones I can think of I haven't tried are Biathalon,Live Pigeons/box birds, Helice, and airgun. Hsd fun with all, most with shotguns...
Mike Irwin
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In my experience, if you're talking about competitive shotgunners, no. I've met far too many of them who are just outright 
holes, and more than a few who are simply ANTI-gun. (My shotgun? It's not a gun, it's a sporting device!)
As for just plain old run of the mill shotgunners, I've met very, very few of them who aren't also into other shooting sports.
holes, and more than a few who are simply ANTI-gun. (My shotgun? It's not a gun, it's a sporting device!)As for just plain old run of the mill shotgunners, I've met very, very few of them who aren't also into other shooting sports.
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Mike - I'll tell you, since I started shooting highpower, I've encountered an awful lot of people (shooters, hunters, otherwise normal gun-types) who seem too comfortable with banning stuff. We'll be talking along, and it's all good until I mention that I shoot an AR in competitions.
They don't seem to realize that to the antis, a gun is a gun. They'll ban what they can and wait to get the rest sometime later.
Frankly, when it comes to competitive holes, I'm not at all certain that there are any more in the shooting sports than other sports. For example, I've run into jerks in golf, tennis, cycling, running, little league, volleyball, rock climbing, etc... Anytime there is competition, some folks will tend to get overly geeked about certain things.
What tends to impress me is how many shooters are friendly and helpful.
They don't seem to realize that to the antis, a gun is a gun. They'll ban what they can and wait to get the rest sometime later.
Frankly, when it comes to competitive
holes, I'm not at all certain that there are any more in the shooting sports than other sports. For example, I've run into jerks in golf, tennis, cycling, running, little league, volleyball, rock climbing, etc... Anytime there is competition, some folks will tend to get overly geeked about certain things.What tends to impress me is how many shooters are friendly and helpful.
NIGHTWATCH
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" I'll tell you, since I started shooting highpower, I've encountered an awful lot of people (shooters, hunters, otherwise normal gun-types) who seem too comfortable with banning stuff."- TrapperReady
These are the people who make our efforts to preserve our rights even harder. Its typical of most Americans though. Selfishness. As long as I have mine, who cares. Ban the rest of them because I dont really have a clue what the 2A is about anyway.
These are the people who make our efforts to preserve our rights even harder. Its typical of most Americans though. Selfishness. As long as I have mine, who cares. Ban the rest of them because I dont really have a clue what the 2A is about anyway.
Big Mike
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When shotgunners color outside the lines-it's ok.
Mike
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About 15 years ago I shot Skeet competitively, that is, about 10-15000 rounds per year. Skeet shooters were always after trophies whereas Trap shooters were primarily money shooters. I was AA at both. Then my diabetic retinopathy hit me in the right eye, my shooting eye. Unless I can skew my hear to the side the target disappears into a hole at about 30+ yeards. Still love to shoot both.
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