Should I be concerned?

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When I drop the bolt on my AR, it partially dents the primer of the round it picks up from the magazine.

Should I be concerned about that? Will that cause an accidental discharge when I simply drop the bolt forward?

Thanks for the input

Z
 
I'm not sure about your AR, but my PSL dents the primer every time it chambers a round (a little worse when I first drop the bolt on a new mag), never had an AD before and I've put about 5k rounds through it.
 
This is because the Stoner design like many other military-designed semiauto rifles has a free floating firing pin that relies solely on inertia rather than having to overcome the force of a retaining spring.
It's nothing to be worried about.

In the AR design, the hammer should always lightly touch the primer, but only the inertia from a nearly fully delivered hammer blow SHOULD be enough to touch one off. IOW, as long as you don't actually drop the hammer, you should be fine. Keep the bolt carrier group (esp. firing pin channel) clean and properly lubed. As always, follow the safety rules of course.

Hope this helps :)
 
When we were in Iraq in 2005 we had to clear our guns everytime we came back in. Many would just take the round and put it right back on top. After repeated times with the same round one guys gun shot "supposedly" when he chambered that round. I dont know if I believe that story, but after that we had to cycle our rounds back into the mag, not just on top.
 
I've never had an autoloading rifle, with or without a firing pin spring, that does NOT do this... that includes my FALs, which have very stiff FP springs in them.

I chambered the same round in an AR about 20 times in a row once to see if I could get it to fire, but nothing. The primer ding expanded to a certain size, and then stopped getting bigger. It is the impact to the primer that causes ignition anyway, not neccessarily deformation of the cup. A soft cup primer would be at a greater risk than a hard-cupped one.

You can rotate the top round in the mag, but overall I think the risk here is miminal. As always, make sure rifle is pointed in a safe direction when chambering a round. I consider that to be sufficient safety precaution.
 
I had one of those Chinese AKs back in the 80s chambered in 223. It would slamfire like nobody's business due to the combination of a relatively soft primer cup and a relatively massive firing pin.

Sold that bad boy.
 
If you look at the book, the Black Rifle, early M16's were slamfiring out of battery when loaded single shot. The Army lightened the firing pin to reduce the impact energy.

Primers on commercial ammunition are extremely sensitive. I think this is due to two things, first that gunwriters promote this as a desirable characteristic and because of the loud screams of the coil cutters. There are these vocal people who have ancient mainsprings or just cut coils off their mainsprings and have ignition problems. Of course it is the primer’s fault, not theirs, and they let the world know about it.

Primer manufacturers don’t like negative press, so they have made their primers more sensitive. This is what Winchester did in 1999. They changed their product line to make them more sensitive “to off center hits.” Unfortunately, the brass WSR primer now pierces at loads than never bothered the old nickel plated WSR. Others have reported slamfires with WSR. http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?p=4627417

Slamfires are a risk with any system with a free floating firing pin. I had one in a AR, and seen another one. Mine came during standing slow fire where you are required to load one round at a time. I dropped a round in the chamber and hit the bolt release. My rifle slamfired, taking a divot out of the ground, about ten feet away. I got some real scared looks by the competitors around me. I was using the new brass WSR. My scorer, a HM with several President’s 100 patches, laughed at me during the relay change. The capacious range gods decided to teach him humility and his AR slamfired during his record period. He was using Federal match primers.

Since then I have gone to CCI#41 primers for the primer sensitivity and because of the number of firing pins I had to replace when the WSR pierced. CCI has a military primer product line, their primers are less sensitive, and they shoot just fine in my AR’s.

The NRA had to change their rule book due to primer sensitivity. It used to be that during standing you could load your rifle on the stool. I used to see guys resting the muzzle of their AR’s on their shooting stool, drop a round in, and hit the bolt release. I highly suspect the rule was changed because someone put a bullet in their stool when their AR slamfired.

If there is a good thing about the AR, unlike the Garand or the M1a which will slamfire out of battery, I have never seen an out of battery slamfire with the AR.

Still, these things will slamfire. Therefore you must always make sure of what is downrange when you load. Take a look at the slamfire of this Tavor 21 on you tube. It is not a AR, but apparently these will also slamfire.
Notice how many rounds the guy fires. If he had a mechanical problem he would have had recurring slamfires, but he did not. When you see the slamfire, notice that the finger is not on the trigger. He was running Federal American Eagle (federal primers) and Winchester ammo.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cv7BI3wGWA
 
As the AR owners and vets have said, the firing pin (not the hammer) will touch the primer when the bolt is let go. Military primers are hard enough that there hasn't been any problem the last 45 years. Nice track record.

Of course, there are those who like to monkey with things, and continually replacing the loaded rounds back on top of the magazine has a more serious side beyond multiple primer strikes - round setback, which can cause kabooms, and multiple scratches on the ogive, which makes for a horribly inaccurate first shot. It's talked about on LEO forums because they also routinely extract and clear on a daily basis in some situations. When you don't get to take the weapon home or have enough admin time to rotate the rounds, it's a concern.

Most of us, no big deal. If hunting and unloading when you get to the car or home, put them separate so you can use a fresh round to load the next day's hunting. Then shoot them next time at the range. Don't expect MOA accuracy, there is a measurable difference between fresh loads and rounds rechambered multiple times.

If handloading, don't use sensitive primers, along with other auto feed considerations, like crimping, and watching the overall length. Those three are important to prevent problems. It's different than manual feed weapons.
 
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