Should I get a PSL?

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I've always liked the SVD but you really can't get them anymore. The Romanian PSL-54C looks interesting and I'm aware of the differences in the designs. A local shop has them for $749 and I'm on the fence. If I purchased one I would want it to be capable of 1" groups at 100yrds. Should I get one or will I be dissapointed?
 
I seem to remember an article that David Fortier wrote on the PSL for Shotgun News. It was favorable in general, but I don't recall his particular rifle grouping much better than 2" or so.

Others may have different experiences. I thought David may have posted here before...he may be able to fill in the blanks.
 
Some people have had MOA with cetain ammo, for a limited number of shots. The PSL's barrel is very succeptable to heat. If you think you'll do MOA, or even 2 MOA all day long, pass on it.
 
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Be VERY careful of any PSL that is maked PSL-54c and is imported by Centrury International Arms. There is a significant number of these rifles (all model 54c's I believe) that are subject to a recall that is being mandated by the BATFE. BATFE has issued a ruling that these rifles are unregistered automatic weapons. To my knowledge this only affects the model PSL-54c as imported by CIA but you may want to verify that. This is a very serious issue and that's all I can say about it for now.

As far as the performance of these guns, they are great. Not bolt action accurate but then again they are'nt supposed to be. They are minute of bad guy accurate out to as far as you can see and most are very realiable. Recoil is very light and controllable for a rifle of this power and they are simply a joy to shoot. Another feature I like is that the scope does not affect the use of the iron sights at all. You can put several rounds on a gong at 400+ yards one second then drop to the irons and blast a target 30 yards away the next. Way to much fun!!
 
I had one of the recalled PSL's. You can check the receiver for two tell-tale signs, but there are two very easy ways to fix things. First, before you do anything, ask the dealer when he got it. If he got it from Century December of 2006 or later, it is legal. Only a small number were imported in illegal configuration.

The other easy way to do it is to call Century with the serial number. They'll tell you if it is recalled (that's how I found out).

In any case, there are PSL's that are 1moa, but that is not their purpose. They are tactical sniper rifles, which is to say they are to engage targets while in the midst of a running battle in support of a platoon. They therefore must be able to effectively hit an enemy soldier at combat ranges (particularly a machine gunner, officer, etc). I have gotten good accuracy out of mine, but if you require 1MOA, you'd probably be disappointed. Mine was as accurate as my M1a, which is why I sold the M1a. It is accurate enough for hunting and certainly for combat, but not for shooting the pistol out of a bad guy's hand at 200 yards.

Ash
 
1" at 100 meters isn't so uncommon. I've been wanting a PSL for years, but had other stuff to do/get beforehand.
 
+1 to what Ash said. I had a Chinese SVD and the best it would do was about 1.5 MOA. As noted, this rifle was meant to be what we call a DMR, not a sniper rifle.
 
precisionshootist said:
Be VERY careful of any PSL that is maked PSL-54c and is imported by Centrury International Arms. There is a significant number of these rifles (all model 54c's I believe) that are subject to a recall that is being mandated by the BATFE. BATFE has issued a ruling that these rifles are unregistered automatic weapons. To my knowledge this only affects the model PSL-54c as imported by CIA but you may want to verify that. This is a very serious issue and that's all I can say about it for now.
This happened years ago. They no longer import the 'illegal' version. I'd be very surprised if you found one on a store shelf or in stock any where today.
 
I have a Romanian FPK myself, pretty much the same thing. Except for coloring and it has a bayonet lug (and made in romania). I haven't put much ammo through it yet, but so far it's murder on shell casings.. If your a reloader (and I'm not lol) don't even think about it. the 54R's pack a very good whallop, but you feel very little more than a buck when you pull the trigger. The rifle is very accurate, despite what observers who fired one once upon a time and read a magazine say. (took 3 test pops at a plastic bottle w/ scope at 70 some yards in my back yard.. I thought I'd missed from the bottle not moving, and spinning 'round once.. I was dead on 3 for 3).

Ammo is cheap, about 7 - 8 bucks for 20.

You'll love it.
 
DavidLee said:
I have a Romanian FPK myself, pretty much the same thing
Same rifle, many names. All in the name of marketing:

PSL
FPK
SSG-97
"Romanian Dragunov" (although they're nothing like a SVD)

and variations thereof, to get you to BUY BUY BUY . . . . .
 
For $750 and 1moa, build yourself an AR. If you want the PSL because it looks cool (which it does!), then buy one, by all means.
 
My PSL/Romak/whatever does a lot more than look cool


It is a Commie BAR.....;)

I can make head shots at 150 yards and it is very comfortable to shoot
 
For $750 and 1moa, build yourself an AR. If you want the PSL because it looks cool (which it does!), then buy one, by all means.
I'm going for "looks cool" but I want accuracy too! I'll be dissapointed if it could only shot 3 inch 100yrd groups! I'm slso considering a DPMS AR in 308. BTW I have two DPMS AR's one is a Varmint/Target the other is a M4gery both .223 Rem...also have an AKM & SKS both 7.62x39mm, and a number of bolt rifles = Nagants, Lee-Enfields, K98 etc. PSL=Another fun toy!
 
Besides, 7.62x54R is cheaper.

The recalled PSL's were early THIS year. I know, because it happened to me. I know for a fact there is one floating around the Kenner, LA show (over priced) that is in fact built on an illegal receiver. That the receiver is illegal is absurd, of course, but that is beside the point. It is once a machine gun always a machine gun even if it never was a machine gun.

In any case, that is no big deal as Century made good on it for me. If the dealer got the rifle any time this year from Century, it is perfectly legal.

Ash
 
Oh, yeah, the other reason for buying this over an AR is that it can be used for large-game hunting, anything a .308 is used for. Can't do that with an AR.

Ash
 
1 MOA is in the relm of possibility, but no guarantee. I got mine about a year ago, not because of tack driving accuracy, but because of extremely cheap ammunition. At the time is was really hard to find 308 and 223, and 7.62 x 39 was just coming back and about twice as expensive as it had been. I had an SVT 40 and several Moisin Nagants, so the PSL and several thousand rounds of ammunition were an easy choice. My particular rifle had been made from a kit, and the hammer was too tall, causing it to bind up while firing. The rifle was also missing the BHO device, a little spring loaded latch that holds the bolt carrier back when the magazine is empty. I shouldn't of had to mess with it at all, but I filed down the hammer and replaced the BHO, which the gun store gave me the parts for free. Light ball is the only round recommended for the PSL, and I stockpiled plenty of ammunition, in the meantime. I am so pleased with the rfiel NOW, that I took its slightly modified nameskae as my own here. IMHO, a ROMAK III is the prefect SHTF rifle and my ROMAK is accurate even with cheap ball ammo. It handles even laquered cased ammuntion without a hitch, and the availability of certain ammunition not available in other calibers is another plus, though I still need to get a hundred rounds or so of tracer. Most, but not all of the surplus is steel cored, and certain rounds, like the 7N1 is steel cored and is what is called spitzer tipped. It's not the shape but the core that is what is unique. This type of round has a hollow tip, and a sliding core. When the round hits a soft target, the core shifts into the cavity and destabilizes the bullet resulting in a tumbling motion similiar to the way a 223 miltiary round was supposed to do, only now, you have a round that can penetrate if need be and you have a bullet with twice the area and four times the energy than the 223.

Anyway. I recommend a PSL, but the price nd availability of 7.62 x 54R is higher and rarer, so that is definately a consideration. As the other guy mentioned, a DPMS 308 Long range is more likely a really accurate rifle and at just below $1000, quite a buy. To match my stock of 7.62 x 54 in 308, would cost about $8000, as compared with $800 that I spent.
 
This happened years ago. They no longer import the 'illegal' version. I'd be very surprised if you found one on a store shelf or in stock any where today.

Au contraire, mon Frere. One of my shooting buddies, and a member of THR, had his PSL recalled just a scant few months ago. While it is less likely that you will find one of the recalled weapons now, I would assume it is not out of the realm of possibility. I would assume that the recall meant that dealers (and most owners) shipped back whatever offending rifles they had in stock, but that doesn't mean that you won't find one floating around out there...
 
I got my PSL a few months back. Love the damn thing!!!
Should have picked one up years ago. Mine will hit a 7"x7"
gong all day long at 250 yds. To me,thats a head shot.
I kind of like it for the cool factor,as it is an AK in x54r.
Added it to my others,now I have AK's in 7 different calibers.

MRI
 
Mine is a FPK Paratrooper 18" barrel paid $100 more for the shorter barrel.
About the same length as an AK with a Flash Hider.
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AIM has the PSL's on sale for $669 with scope, 4-10rd mags, sling, oiler, cleaning kit, cleaning rod, mag pouch.
Basicly $100+ in extras and $40 off the wholesale price.

Just got one for a customer, they are century made, but still very nice.

F.Y.I. they also have the STG-2000 for $349
 
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I'll flip this in here because I diddn't feel like taking a whole new pic.

Dude, just go get one. You'll LOVE it.
 
This happened years ago. They no longer import the 'illegal' version. I'd be very surprised if you found one on a store shelf or in stock any where today.


This is absolutely incorrect. This is still very much going on today. I was just on the phone with Century and the ATF agent in charge of this forced recall last Friday. Also at first the story was only some of the model PSL-54c rifles were recalled but that quickly changed to all of them. I also have recently seen them for sale on gunbroker and at several at local gunshows. You need to be very careful of any CIA imported PSL that is marked PSL-54c.
 
The reason was the receiver being an original PSL receiver refinished with original markings ground off and the hole for the safety sear welded up. There is no reason on this earth why that had to be done, except perhaps for the welding, as this rifle is not nor ever has been a machine gun. But, like British L1A1's, the receiver is still in an automatic style, even if it is not an automatic weapon. Change out parts and you can make it one. Okay, so they welded up the offending hole. The receiver is now fully as semi-auto as any AK receiver. Yet, once a machine gun...but wait, this was never a machine gun. Doesn't matter. Pretty lame and the BATF is amazingly rigid on this, insultingly rigid on this one. Once a machine gun always a machine gun is absurd, too.

But, it is as it is and that is why these PSL's were recalled. They were perfectly safe to shoot, just not legal for a really stupid reason.

The previous poster may be thinking about the CDNN 308 NDM-86's which were recalled several years back.

Ash
 
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