Should it really be this hard to order a 40mm launcher?

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I had several NFA dealers make me quotes only to realize they are not 09s, one trying to talk me out of it (making the same arguments as the usual anti-NFA cranks), even forwarding me an article from last summer's freakout over a non-existent ban on practice rounds (he sounded just like the usual envious NFA naysayers). One referenced a need for a letter explaining why I needed it or the ATF might not approve. Another told me "The ATF is really cracking down on civilian ownership of DDs".

One of the largest dealers who actually is in the area was about 20% higher than everyone else (MSRB) and told me 4 months for the Form 3 (aren't they taking about 40 days)? The vendor has plenty of stock. 4 months would probably put my form 4 out of the pre-41T period.

Frustrating.

Mike
 
Not 100% positive, but I think a regular Class 3 dealer can transfer it. I remember reading somewhere that they can do a couple a year...would take some research, but I thinks it's possible.
 
They must be from a personal collection.

https://www.atf.gov/file/58231/download

Section 9.13 May an FFL/SOT transfer a personally owned destructive device without qualifying
to do business in destructive devices? Persons engaged in the business of dealing in firearms must
have a GCA license authorizing them to deal in the type of firearms in which they deal. If they engage
in the business of dealing in destructive devices, they must have a license to do so as required by 18
U.S.C. 923(a)(3)(A). However, ATF recognizes that persons licensed to deal in firearms other than
destructive devices may lawfully maintain a personal collection of destructive devices and occasionally
dispose of them as personal firearms on Forms 4 without having a license to deal in such devices. But if
the dealer’s receipt and disposition of these devices become repetitive, ATF may infer that the dealer is
engaged in the business of dealing in the devices and require him/her to be licensed as a dealer in such
devices. There is no precise number of transactions that would trigger the license requirement.
 
I've got a 09/03 who quoted me a good price but he wants to confirm it (waiting for his follow-up email). Failing that I will buy an receiver on line and Form 1 it but will end up paying more for the stock, pistol grip frame, and sighting system in the end.

Mike
 
I was under the impressiom so long as its received and filedbefore 41p took effect it was grandfathered and not necessarily approved.

I have heard that stamp approval time is back up to 4-5 months per my dealer as of last week.
 
Mike,
I just had a form 3 transferred to my dealer in 32 days. It was for an SBS not a DD but I don't see why it would make a difference.
 
HRnightmare said:
I was under the impressiom so long as its received and filedbefore 41p took effect it was grandfathered and not necessarily approved.

I have heard that stamp approval time is back up to 4-5 months per my dealer as of last week.
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41T will take effect in July. It will have no bearing on the manufacture to dealer Form 3 but I want the check for my Form 4 cashed by June.

Mike
 
Sounds like someone needs a trust. Best choice I've ever made. The trust really speeds up the timeline, but don't trust an online do-it-yourself place. Do it right, pay a lawyer, and don't worry about the headaches. Wish I had learned that from the start. As far as the transfer, I've had a couple buddies get one, but the hoops they had to jump through...
 
I saw nowhere in the original statement where you stated you had a trust. And I've done quite a few transfers and have yet to have one take 4 months. 40 days, yes.
 
trentcwwilson said:
I saw nowhere in the original statement where you stated you had a trust. And I've done quite a few transfers and have yet to have one take 4 months. 40 days, yes.
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And nowhere did I say I didn't :)

I had 3 trust Form 1s take over 11 months in the post-Dorner period.

Actually since May 2015, individual Form 4s have been moving much faster than trusts (better than half the time). I don't recall any period in which trusts were running more than about a week faster.

http://www.nfatracker.com/TrendGraph.aspx

Mike
 
I disagree. My father, who is awaiting to be added to my trust, filed for a suppressor in September 2015 and is still await approval.
 
So you have two experimental groups each with a sample size of 1? :evil:

What is the wait to add your father to your trust? A good lawyer would have provided clear instructions for amendment, likely even forms. Quicken Willmaker 2008 does :uhoh:

Mike
 
More actually. As a matter of fact, i can list a couple dozen different reasons why my gunsmith alone is awaiting his for which were applied for at the same time. And we're waiting for him to decide. He's not exactly gun ho on the idea.

Seeing as this seems to have turned to a pissing match, here's where I bow out. As with most forums, seems as if I've run into a crowd where when I state my experiences, people take it as a hit to their ego, comment, and what have you. It's been a pleasure and may you always shoot true.
 
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A trust is not faster than filing as an individual. Period. Sure, there are always outliers at either end, but as a whole, it's not faster with a trust.

Trent, maybe you're getting confused between eFile Form 1s that are often faster? You can't eFile as an individual, you can only do it with a trust. But you can't eFile at all if you're filing a Form 4, so everyone has to do it the old fashioned way whether they have a trust or not.

My first two silencers took about 11 months in 2013-2014 and I use a trust. Since then, the shortest stamp wait I had was 4 1/2 months. My most recent silencer was picked up about a month ago, and it took 6 months.
 
I'd be fascinated to know what all the factors that make an application go quickly or slowly are so if you are privy to this knowledge, please share.

Mike

PS. I think new single gun trusts are about to get very popular. It might even be fun to number them :)
 
My shortest efile was about 6 months ago when I had another form 1 in process at the same time. The first one took 5 months. The second was 5 weeks. Both cleared same time. I think the second one piggybacked on the first.

My shortest form 4 was 2011 . It took 4 weeks.
 
Hazard,

With this statement....."You can't eFile as an individual, you can only do it with a trust....."

It seems to me the reason you cannot efile as an induvial is because of the finger print requirement, with 41P being “live” in July will that be the end to the efile? Just something I never thought about.
 
GE-Mini-Gun said:
Hazard,

With this statement....."You can't eFile as an individual, you can only do it with a trust....."

It seems to me the reason you cannot efile as an induvial is because of the finger print requirement, with 41P being “live” in July will that be the end to the efile? Just something I never thought about.
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Electronic submission of fingerprints and CLEO forms is a possibility. No telling what Guv'mint will do however.

Mike
 
Found a 09/03 who has two on order from the manufacturer. Should be there before his Form 3 according to the manufacture. Price was within a few dollars of the 08/03 who first quoted me but found he could not order (~20% below retail).

Surprisingly he did not want my money until he had it in stock (opposite experience with every silencer I've ordered--my MG was in stock and I built all my SBR/SBSs).

So I should be able to start the Form 4 before 41T.

Now that I've rounded out my collection some with an integral and DD, I'm thinking about a neat AOW, something more unusual than a Super-Shorty.

Mike
 
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Mike,

What about one of those "master keys?" I think that's what they are called. The shotgun that mounts under an AR. They are pretty cool. Similar to a super shorty though. Or one of the guns that fold up like a briefcase?
 
Ranger Roberts said:
Mike,

What about one of those "master keys?" I think that's what they are called. The shotgun that mounts under an AR. They are pretty cool. Similar to a super shorty though. Or one of the guns that fold up like a briefcase?
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Is Mike gonna go call of duty on us?
 
Ranger Roberts said:
Mike,

What about one of those "master keys?" I think that's what they are called. The shotgun that mounts under an AR. They are pretty cool. Similar to a super shorty though. Or one of the guns that fold up like a briefcase?
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Yea, those are kind of neat. I have lots of AR uppers but none with a Guv'mint barrel and handguard. Might be an excuse to build one.

Mike
 
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