Should There Be More Proficiency Test Requirements for CCW?

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First off, I'd like to disclaimer by saying that my question in no way refers to 2A or how it's interpreted. I'm referring only to carry concealed and really I'm only thinking about the classes I've taken and the people who have attended with me.

I had a guy with a beautiful Springfield 1911 at my CCW class lay his pistol down, barrel facing the RO, action closed. RO said (I'm paraphrasing as it's been awhile), 'This is not a cleared weapon. Do not point an uncleared weapon at me.' He dropped the mag, locked the slide back, unlocked the cable (store enforced all non-CCW weapons were cleared and cable locked upon entry) and handed weapon back to individual. Individual then inserted empty mag and closed the slide. RO went nuts.

This started me thinking about the performance of the CCW desirees as I went through the class....many couldn't hit the broad side of the barn.

I'm of the opinion that anyone who shows up to a CCW class should be proficient in their weapon they are qualifying with. You don't have to be Charles Bronson, but I'd expect they know how their weapon works and how the hell to hit a target from 7 yards.

Out of curiosity....are ya'll in favor or opposed to generally tighter proficiency tests for CCW?
 
Nope.

I'm not ready to separate CCW from the text of the 2A, and I believe that doing so would be a capital bad idea.
 
Out of curiosity....are ya'll in favor or opposed to generally tighter proficiency tests for CCW?
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Should there be more proficiency before you are allowed to speak in public?
 
That's a tough one. While I am opposed to regulation, I am also opposed to totally incompetent morons, that can't pour sand out of boot with the instruction on the heal, wielding the power of a firearm. I'm also unhappy with them driving and reproducing as well. We just don't have those problems on my home planet. :- )
 
Nope. There should be no test at all, as its a right and not a privilege. The person carrying the gun should bear all the responsibility of its use, good or otherwise.
 
I would prefer not to have to prove that I can exercise my rights.

I would also prefer it if people would be responsible and take it upon themselves to be as proficient as possible.
 
After seeing some of the horrible aim and bad habits some idiots have (I'm opposed to idiots in general) I'm half tempted to tell them they can have their huge gun back when they can hit the barn from the outside.

In general, though, I'm all for emphasizing the responsibility to be able to shoot what you need to, and not everything else.
 
I haven't heard that the states that have no training requirements have more problems because of that lack of required training, have you?
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True. We have no training requirement and there isn't an epidemic of CCW holders shooting themselves or innocent bystanders dead in the street.

I think if there were, the MSM would have been all over it by now.
 
Since religion has been source of most killing in this world, there should be "more proficiency test requirements" before you can exercise your freedom of religion. (Obvious sarcasm because such a test would be illegal, just as any test before I can carry MY property on MY body, is illegal).

If the core of this thread is about education, then we should address why the government schools refuse to teach gun safety OR basic law anymore (there's an old high school in my city that still has an old rifle range in the basement, but is now used for storage).
 
Out of curiosity....are ya'll in favor or opposed to generally tighter proficiency tests for CCW?
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Count my vote as opposed to, too. Or should I be less redundant and say opposed to as well.

Except for the military - we need much more proficiency training in the military - like once a week range trips? :evil:
 
No.

It isn't up to the government, or anyone for that matter - to decide what qualifies one to protect themselves.

The right to carry or possess a firearm, concealed or otherwise, is a basic personal right - and *any* restriction, regulation, limitation or prohibition which is imposed by any government onto an individual (except in the context of preventing that individual from taking liberties from another person) is an assault by that government on the basic rights of that individual. This includes any systematic limitation imposed by the government - such as an FFL license or a Concealed Handgun Permit. Therefore, the thought of imposing even *more* restrictions - such as a means test is yet another assault on personal liberty.
 
NavyLT lets not forget the police, they need to get to the range more often as well. I think if we make ammo purchases for them tax deductible then they might go almost as often as we do.

oh and opposed of course.
 
No. We will lose RTKBA one 'sensible' regulation at a time. All american law is based on precedent and any inch given becomes a mile.
 
I have to agree with ichiban. I agree that it is a right, but when one is going to possess deadly and/or destructive force, one should be responsible enough to manage it. And to be honest, there are alot of people out there who just plain shouldn't own a gun. There are just people who shouldn't drive. And there are definitely people who should not be parents. I support the requirement to have to take a class or two; to prove that you can handle/aim/care for a firearm properly, and keeping guns away from violent convicts. If you want to shoot your own testicles off with a 12ga, then that's fine by me, but the vast amount of 'dumbest thing you've seen at the range' stories have convinced me that there is a line below which people shouldn't be able to have guns. I think that line should be reasonably low and not cost a cent to prove you're above, but it should be there.
 
I once started a thread suggesting stiffer requirements for CCW of knowing how a gun works, where it shoots, and such. I had my mind changed a little bit because carry is a right and not a bought/paid for or otherwise earned privilege.

I started the thread because it bugs me the people that buy a gun and go straight to a CCW Course before they know the 4 rules. Honestly I think that upon entering a CCW Course it would make me more comfortable if you were required to immediately show you could operate/fire your weapon before class started.

However as stated; Owning and transporting a weapon whether in a case or on my person is a RIGHT.
 
Requirements for FREEDOM

There is a price that has been paid for our Freedom, and an ongoing price
to maintain it.

Part of that ongoing price is not to jump at even such grevious instances as you give, and bear with the fact that this freedom will incur some bad examples from time to time.

I know all too well of people who should not have guns in their hands, but for the sake of my own Freedom and yours, I'm willing not to infringe on that Amendment, but to do my best to see that those people are corrected
-by instruction, rather than restriction.
 
No. Carrying concealed is baring arms. I see no reason why one's rights should be infringed based on something as arbitrary as how they choose to carry. I personally believe all 50 states should switch to a "no CCW license required" model. In addition I think all gun free zones should be abolished, except where a private property owner decides for himself that he doesn't want guests on his property armed.
 
Opposed...however,

I think there should be a class / test that would allow you to carry in areas that are generally not allowed (Post Office, schools, etc...)
 
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