SHTF Pistol grip pump "with forend grip"

[chetrogers]

I know alot of people dont think a pistol grip pump "No stock" is a good home defence gun.And I can see some points why it wouldnt.But im looking for a SHTF type shotgun,like when the flesh eating zombies come back from the dead and want to eat us. I think the shorter the better i am curious if anyone has shot a pistol grip pump with a forend grip like the one in the picture i am posting. Im curious about recoil with even just game loads..

To be honest i really can only affort a Mossberg 500a type shotgun "price range"..would you go with a 20" plus barrel and get a mag extention for more shots or just stick with the 18 1/2"..

 

[Dave McCracken]

A shotgun equipped only with a PG is an awkward, inaccurate, handgun of great power and limited utility. Whether or not the forward hand is gripping a peg or a standard forend, the PG only shotgun is a giant step backwards.

Some level of proficiency can be attained with this, but it'll take enough time, talent and cash to get there that if similar were applied to efforts with a standard stocked shotgun, would make the shooter absolutely deadly.

If someone ever comes after me with a shotgun and malice aforethought, I hope and pray they're toting the very shotgun shown.

Real world results and tools for the real world.....

 

[MrMurphy]

I have shot a 500 with that exact setup and it was a worthless piece of crap.

I advised the owner to put a real stock on it, or at least a folder. He did so, and suddenly, you could hit something with it.

If you ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO have a short gun (for storage, not shooting) the Knoxx Industries Copstock is a folding stock which reduces recoil (built into the pistol grip).

An 18.5" Mossberg 500 was my first shotgun, and it did me in good when a guy almost broke in. With a regular stock and six friends in the tube.

 

[Dionysusigma]

Dave McCracken: Real world results and tools for the real world...

chetrogers: But im looking for a SHTF type shotgun,like when the flesh eating zombies come back from the dead and want to eat us.

Personally, I'd go with that exact setup, but with a topfolder instead of the PG-only. That way, you can have both cool and useful in one boom-stick.

 

[Hkmp5sd]

I have that shotgun and it is not my HD shotgun of choice. The vertical foregrip does make it easier to handle than a PG only shotgun, but it is still very awkward to shoot and almost impossible to hit anything over a few yards away. Give me a shoulder stock instead.

 

[sm]

[to the tune of Janis Joplin]

Oh Lord -won't you buy me a PGO
All the SG Forum folks say no
And I must make amends...

 

[Arc-Lite]

chetrogers...if you wish to spend your money, on something that looks good, your on the right track, what you want, is great for movies, and tv... shot em up films, if you want something that works, both as a shotgun and a great club stay with the long stock. as has been said, normally you can't hit anything beyond your out stretched arm...and when shooting this pistol grip scater gun.... your wrist feels like a visit to the doc's may be needed ... if your only need, is to protect your bedroom....go for it. Arc-Lite

 

[fistful]

Good one, sm

 

[LiquidTension]

I've got a 20" 500 Cruiser (the one that only comes with the PG). I've used the 18.5" as well, and I'd say that the extra 1.5" is well worth it since it adds 2 more rounds to your total capacity. The top folding stocks are cool, but the ATI version is not comfortable because the shoulder pad is way too wide. I'd recommend going with the 20" with the regular stock or a speed feed stock. That's what I have and I couldn't be happier. I replaced the pistol grip with a pistol grip stock, but I'll change it for a speed feed because of the position of the safety. On an 870 a pistol grip stock is fine because you can get to the safety without changing your hand position.

I did fire my 500 with just the PG. While I can hit stuff at indoor distances, the more compact size is not worth the loss of accuracy or the increased difficulty of controlling the thing IMO.

 

[dfaugh]

well, i like it

But I also have folding stock, if needed. With practice I can shoot it well, or well enough for short range work. I don't have a forward pistol grip, but am getting one...After shooting one with the forward vertical grip, I found it was more controllable, and helps front hand absorb some of the recoil. I do want a better folding (top vs. current side folding) stock, side folder gets in the way a bit. Oh, mine is a Mossberg 500, "Special Purpose", 20" barrel, 7+1...30" overall w/ stock folded...which is find is plenty manuverable in my environment, anyway.

 

[sm]

fistful,
Thanks

[Pink Floyd] How can you have a Shotgun without PG and Folding stocks...you can't have a shotgun without PG and folding stocks..

I feel like I'm on the dark side of the moon...I'm a brick that won't fit in the wall.

Me- I must be

[Allman Bros] I got all Wood & Blue full stocked Shotgun...not gonna let 'em change the Full stocked shooter - oh no- not gonna let 'em change me oh no...

Pass the Tylenol please...

 

[Old NFO]

PG shotgun

Tried it, didn't like it, dumped it... No control, no accuracy. Went to a Surefire foregrip and Speedfeed Tac IV S pistol grip stock (it's 1 inch shorter than standard) on my 20" 590A1. MUCH more control, much more natural point and MUCH more accurate. Also, much easier on the wrist

 

[Arc-Lite]

the pistol grip, does have some good points, but bad points as well, if your into a "up close and personal" struggle, that pistol grip, is your opponents, hand hold as well. go synthetic , and simple, bells and whistles are great for birthday parties. go long synthetic stock, mag extension, good fast sights, and a jumbo safety, 18" - 24" barrel, and ammo. Arc-Lite

 

[carebear]

Unless you take that Cruiser, pay the AOW tax and get it modified into a 4-shot (total) Rico Tubbs commemorative snubbie special. Now you have something you can wear/carry ALL the time without it being in the way.

And hey, TUBBS had one!

 

[sm]

Maybe curb feelers , baby moons and fuzzy dice on one...

 

[Smoke]

Pistol grip foreends are harder to run than corn shuckers.

Pistol grip butt stocks suck eggs.

Put both together and you have wasted a bunch of money on a really cool looking paper weight.

Smoke

 

[Third_Rail]

Wait, smoke, do you mean even the PG with a full stock would be wasted?

I was thinking of changing my Mossberg 500 to a PG full stock, and an 18.5" bbl for HD.

 

[walking arsenal]

I'm really starting to get a kick out of the shotgunners against PGO shotguns.

Most chime in with "they suck" but can't provide a decent reason why they suck OR they've never actually fired one so have little to no experience to back up their claims. Usually if they have fired one it's one a buddy had.

perhaps to many weekend bird gunners trying to apply their knowledge of hunting shotguns to home defense or "tactical" weaponry?

that being said, i DO agree that a pgo shotgun is more difficult to shoot and learn to shoot than one with a standard stock. however you can learn to shoot any gun to the potential of it's design with practice. Remember the sharp shooters in the civil war doing long range shots with guns we would say was impossible to do with now days?

in my opinion a pgo shotgun is an under 50 yard weapon. great for house defense. i've taken to shooting low recoil 00 buck in my mossberg 500 pgo and find its comfortable to shoot. It doesnt wreck my wrist at all because ive learned to keep my wrist lined up with my arm, not as much twist that way.

and dont give my the "any course of fire" speal.

like most will tell you, they, like all guns, have their place. A pgo shotgun is not multi purpose gun but what purpose it IS meant for it does well.

and, oh yeah, slugs from those, bad idea.

(puts on flame retardant suit kevlar helmet and vest grabs coke and sits back for the ride)

 

[4v50 Gary]

Nothing has felt more unnatural to me as the pistol grip shotgun. It doesn't point well. Recoil bites right into the web of the hand. Even with some practice I'm unsure of being able to hit things. Now, if it was a pistol grip with a stock, that might be better, but I still perfer the older style stocks as it's more comfortable. If you must compromise, get a folder stock.

 

[Old NFO]

PG Stocks work

Wait, smoke, do you mean even the PG with a full stock would be wasted?

I don't think so Third Rail, that is what I went to and it works for me (Speedfeed TAC IV S). The grip becomes "almost" identical to my other black gun. It does take some getting used to if you are an old bird hunter, but with the different point angle from a bird gun (down angle vs. up angle) and difference in the way you mount a tac shotgun vs. a bird gun it does take practice... I went through about 400 rounds before I really felt comfortable with it.
jim

 

[Gunsnrovers]

PG shotgun is a 50 yard weapon? This I have to see.

And yes, I have put more then a couple of rounds downrange from a Mossberg Cruiser.

 

[Dave McCracken]

Walking arsenal, chances are I've put more rounds through PG only shotguns than all the PG only fans on here put together.

I got paid to do so. The story's been told here before, check the archives.

I WILL repeat something I've written before, though.....

I challenge ANY PG only fan.

You pick the COF.

You pick the range, ammo, and number of shots. I live in central MD and will travel up to two hours each way. If you're close to Utah, friend Corriea will stand in for me, or Denny Hansen if you call Fla home.

I'll use a standard stocked 870 and ammo to match yours.

We'll shoot for score and time decides ties. Results get posted rat cheer.

I've been posting that challenge for about 5 years on two forums, here and The Firing Line. I've yet to hear or see from any challengers.

Put up or shut up.....

 

[det.pat]

does anybody else trip over the curb feelers? they also get cought in my keds laces.
pat

 

[walking arsenal]

gunsrovers, yeah, 50 yards, at the extreme may two or three pellets on paper BUT thats two or three holes in the BG.


Dave, Utah, MD and FLa are a bit of a comute for me, northern MN is a long drive from there.
If your ever in the neighborhood im game though (might learn somthin). Out of "put up or shut up" i believe i'll take put up. BTW might want to dress warm if you do, its 20 below zero here right now.

I dont believe i questioned whose put more rounds through a PGO than who but so far i've been taking the advice of the more experienced. like ive said before i've just recently found shotguns to be my long arm of choice. I'm a pistol man from day one (age 7).

i also dont recall saying that pgo were better than standard stocks, they're not. In fact i've i bought a standard length stock from lost soul for my mossberg 500, i just said that that pgos have their place. In a tight one room apartment like mine the thing does wonders. good firepower, doesnt get stuck on curtains or in hallways.

On a side note there have been many times ive seen a guy make a gun do somthing it "can't, won't, shouldnt" do.

 

[sm]

I'm not in Dave's , Corriea's or Denny's League...

I have taught folks to shoot shotguns. Taught to shoot skeet, bird hunt, Armored Car guards, bank guards, ....and LEOs to some degree.

Armored car guards HAD to qualify with PGO,for instance- not much room in armored car for much else. Yes you can miss "with all them pellets" at 10 yds...I have seen it too many times.

I have had to keep a Ithaca 37 PGO in my vehicle "or else", well I hated it. So I added a full stocked , short barreled ( 20") pump gun of my own - loaded with slugs only. PGO was there...didn't mean I had to use it.

Now there is a place, member Badger Arms flys folks intoi Bear Country, He keeps a PGO slung on person at all times when on the ground. He needs to safe weight and room in the bush plane.

I'm not planning on breeching any doors...okay the last time I shot a lock, I did so with my SX1 and a slug. Out on a farm and needed to quell a situation.

All I can share is MY real life experinces. I prefer to teach new folks how to be safe and how to shoot. I take this damn serious.

I am not into bling bling or tactical doodads...I am into stopping an immediate action. I have seen my elephants and I am here. My elephants may not be the ones Dave, Preacherman, Denny...others have faced...by golly mine were real for me.

I try to share experiences and learn from others experiences. Most folks if given a $1000 will blow it on tricked out fireams. The smart guy that wants to survive will spent more money on training and ammo than the firearrm itself.

$200 870 Express, leaves $800 bucks for training and ammo. That is the guy I want watching my back.

Not the guy with the $1000 gun and has not fired a box of ammo to even see if the gun is reliable.

We are divided on this subject and others. Always will be. I will be the 49 y/o with the blue and wood pump gun sitting over here-if you need me. I have put a "few' rds downrange. My '74 Sx1 has over 200K rds I fired through it. NO telling how many rds with other guns and other gauges.

HMITH is another I will mention whom has run 200 slugs in one day like I have...we damn sure didint do with a PGO!!

Yep I'm pissed again...

If you get yourself killed - don't come running to me. I "tried".