Sig 225 A1 single-stack 9mm thoughts?

[bikemutt]

I ran across one the other day and really like the fit and finish, but it ain't cheap. Wondering if anyone here at THR has one and could comment on how they like (or dislike) it.

Thanks.

 

[JDR]

I have an original West German Police surplus P6 version of the P225 that I bought years ago for much less that what the new P225-A1 guns go for. The new guns have the short reset trigger and better sights than the old guns. Nothing is interchangeable between the original guns and the new guns, including the magazines, unfortunately.

The P225 is one of the best shooting carry guns that I know of, the 3rd Gen S&W 3913 is another great shooting carry gun. If I didn't already have my P225, I'd probably want a new one.

 

[ABTOMAT]

I think the new one's a marketing gimmick. It uses its own magazines and the gun is more of a dressed-up P239 than a classic P225.

Consdering you can get used P6s or P225s for $400-600 I don't think it's worth it.

 

[bannockburn]

All of my SIGs have been double stack models (P226, P228, and P229), and all have been a great fit ergonomically for my smaller size hand. I guess I never saw any great need to go to a single stack version when the other models worked so well for me. But if the new P225 A1 fulfills some sort of interest you might have in it then I would say go for it.

 

[rbernie]

My 'first gen' P225's have been the favorite 9x19 gun for a lot of new shooters; not too big or too small, and with just enough mass to be easy to hold and shoot. They're the 'goldilocks' of the Sig line for a lot of people, especially so for smaller hands. The original P225's aren't as easy to find as the new guns, but they are classic Sig guns that cost half as much as the new ones and have better aftermarket support. In fact, I bought a super clean/90% late-90's production P225 for my bride for Valentine's Day just this year.

I really wish that Sig hadn't approached the 'new' P225 as a clean sheet design and instead had simply updated the original. Having said that - the new guns are surely as serviceable as any other Sig, and if you have a hankering for a single stack DA/SA 9mm then the Sig has to be a top choice.

 

[RUT]

I want one! (but they're too danged much money)

 

[Jimfern]

P225 polizei

I bought one of these last year and while I have medium sized hands (based on glove size), I do really like the hand fit compared to other pistols I have. Normally I prefer a Glock G26, but would feel very comfortable traveling with a P225

 

[bikemutt]

I tried the Sig M11-A1 and never warmed to it. The more I shot it the more I realized it didn't fit me well. That's what makes me leery of trying another double-stack Sig.

Perhaps my most prized handgun is an X5 but that's a different beast. And I love my Nightmare Carry .45 but again, a different beast.

 

[JDR]

I tried the Sig M11-A1 and never warmed to it. The more I shot it the more I realized it didn't fit me well. That's what makes me leery of trying another double-stack Sig.

The first semiautomatic pistol I ever owned was a Sig P228. I literally had hundreds of hours of dry & live fire practice with that gun, which I need to build stable reflex responses to shoot a gun as well as is possible for me. I sold it like a dumb@$$, but I was able to get another P228 a while later that had an even better DA/SA trigger than my original one. My Sig M11-A1 is just a natural extension of the P228, the short reset trigger and the NS are big upgrades. I believe that to make a gun work for you, there are no gun modifications that take the place of a ton of good structured practice!

 

[Inazone]

I'm considering either a 225 or 239 sometime this year, but other than the grip texture, I can't come up with anything about the 225 that I like better. I see that Sig still advertises two different 239 versions, the regular version and the SAS Gen 2, but I've only seen the SAS at local dealers.

 

[Plan2Live]

I've carried a Sig 239 for several years and it suits me well. I visited the local gun store and scrutinized the 239 and 225A-1 side by side. While the 225 specs list it as longer (overall length) than the 239 most of that length appeared to me to be in the hammer and beavertail, both of which are slightly larger on the 225A-1. Even with all the similarities the 225 feels better in my hand.

The squared off trigger guard on the 225A-1 should make it easier to find holster options over the 239. Holster options for the 239 are limited. Galco does not make my favorite holster to fit the 239. Hoping they offer it for the 225.

I tried a vintage Sig P6 recently in a local gun store. The trigger was awful. I would pay the extra money for the 225A-1 over the vintage model. I hope the new 225 sells well.

 

[toivo]

A single-stack 9mm is attractive to those of us in the occupied territories who can't have mags larger than 10 rounds. Searching around for reduced-capacity magazines is not only aggravating; it's demeaning.

I'm the happy owner of a P239 SAS, but I have to say that I find the grip just a tad too short. It's a compact, not a sub-compact, and it's fairly heavy, so I don't like the fact that my pinky is hanging off a bit. I haven't tried the new 225, but I've been told that it solves that problem because (a) the grip is a tiny bit longer, and (b) the trigger guard is undercut to allow a higher grip. That made me interested.

On the other hand, consider: It's expensive, I like the 239, and there's no SAS ("melted") model for the 225. My solution to the grip issue so far has been to use the grip extenders (now discontinued) that were made for the 239 in .357 SIG and .40. I use them only as extenders, not for the extra capacity. They were designed to get eight rounds into a seven-round mag, not to get nine into an eight-round mag. I don't want to compromise reliable feeding by cramming that extra round in there.




If I were buying now, I might consider the 225-a1. I'd let it sit on the market for a while to see what the bugs are and to let prices settle down a little.

 

[ABTOMAT]

I tried a vintage Sig P6 recently in a local gun store. The trigger was awful.

The only difference between a P6 and contemporary P225/P226/P229/etc triggers is the hammer spring. It's a LOT stronger in the P6. Change that out and you have a typical Sig trigger. Or just buy a non-P6 P225 from that time period.

 

[labhound]

My wife bought herself a Sig P225 A-1 about a month ago. Excellent gun!! It fits her small hands well and the DA trigger reach is not too far for her. SRT SA trigger is awesome!! Gun has been reliable, accurate, she loves it. At this point in prefers stouter ammo like Lawman, Magtech or American Eagle versus weaker ammo like Blazer Brass. Blazer Brass tends to eject weaker and at times the slide fails to lock back on the last round in the mag. No failures at all with the stouter ammo. P229 holsters will fit the P225 A-1. She shoots IDPA and I ordered her a Blade Tech OWB holster for a P229 SAS and it fit perfectly once the retention screws were adjusted.

 

[Balrog]

The P225 is as big as a Glock 19 and holds half the ammo.

 

[Plan2Live]

The P225 is as big as a Glock 19 and holds half the ammo.

So what is your point? I know this is difficult for some people to understand but the entire shooting world is not enamoured with Glock, striker fired pistols or high round counts. There are those who think, and rightly so, that a traditional DA/SA, hammer fired pistol is safer than a striker fired option. People who gravitate towards Sig are usually keenly aware that Glock makes a pistol but choose Sig even with that awareness in mind.

 

[rbernie]

The P225 is as big as a Glock 19 and holds half the ammo.

When I put a G19 and a P225 side by side for a new shooter at the range, they almost ALWAYS prefer the P225. The recoil impulse is different in a good way, and the balance and ergonomics of the P225 are arguably superior.

My bride points naturally with a 1911 (101-ish degree grip angle) and does NOT with a Glock (112-ish degree grip angle). It's just the way that her biomechanics work. For SD shooting under stress, it only seems wise to take the time to find out what works most naturally for a body.... So despite the fact that I'm strongly a Glock guy, I have no problem with her having a preference that is different than mine based on what works best for HER.

And that's a P225.

 

[ABTOMAT]

The P225 is as big as a Glock 19 and holds half the ammo.

I like the grip profile a lot better. Despite being a tall guy with big hands, single-stack grips are a much more comfortable fit for me. P225, 1911, etc. A Glock feels chunky and a 92FS feels like I'm holding a 2x4.

 

[mgmorden]

I've got the original P6 (essentially the German police issue variant of the P225).

I'll be honest - it ain't my favorite gun. After shooting enough other guns the ergos feel a bit weird for me. The grip is quite thick for the single-stack capacity. My SW99 and Hi Power are both double-stacks with a thinner grip profile.

Overall it's not bad. If you've already bought one shoot it and enjoy it - but if you haven't bought one yet there are much better options. If you want to stick to DA/SA then the CZ-75 is by and large the absolute best option there. For striker fired out of my experience I like the M&P and SW99/P99 series.

 

[Corpral_Agarn]

While I am a fan of single stack 9's I would rather get another 239.

similar capacity, more useful... for me.

 

[RUT]

>>The P225 is as big as a Glock 19 and holds half the ammo<<

Fortunately, not everyone is hung up on high capacity.

 

[mgmorden]

>>The P225 is as big as a Glock 19 and holds half the ammo<<

Fortunately, not everyone is hung up on high capacity.

If you're getting something in return, then I might agree. Heck I often carry an LCP.

Carrying a limited number of rounds isn't really an issue - but with most limited capacity guns that limited capacity nets me a significantly smaller and more concealable firearm.

With the P225 - you're limiting your capacity and getting pretty much nothing in return. I don't think there's anybody who thinks its a POSITIVE thing to carry less ammo, so why do so for no benefit?

If you want a SIG and don't mind a thick grip - just look at the P228 or P229. If you want concealable and can live with the limited capacity, you might as well go for a SIG P290, M&P Shield, Ruger LC9S Pro, or a myriad of other better options.

Like I said I've got the old SIG P6. I bought it back when they were surplus and going for around $275. At that price it was a decent value. I'd never pay a premium for one though.

 

[Corpral_Agarn]

If you're getting something in return, then I might agree. Heck I often carry an LCP.

Carrying a limited number of rounds isn't really an issue - but with most limited capacity guns that limited capacity nets me a significantly smaller and more concealable firearm.

With the P225 - you're limiting your capacity and getting pretty much nothing in return. I don't think there's anybody who thinks its a POSITIVE thing to carry less ammo, so why do so for no benefit?

If you want a SIG and don't mind a thick grip - just look at the P228 or P229. If you want concealable and can live with the limited capacity, you might as well go for a SIG P290, M&P Shield, Ruger LC9S Pro, or a myriad of other better options.

Like I said I've got the old SIG P6. I bought it back when they were surplus and going for around $275. At that price it was a decent value. I'd never pay a premium for one though.

there are those of us that find that a slimmer grip makes the gun more shootable for us.

Glocks represent the epitome of efficiency in a handgun: light weight, higher capacity, size/capacity ratio is great.

... and yet some people don't shoot them well or don't like how they fit in their hands, or are uncomfortable with a striker fired mechanism.

Guns with hammers are a thing of the past. But lots of us prefer them over the more efficient design of the striker.

In this case the shooter would be getting more shoot-ability/comfort in exchange for the smaller capacity.

I also do not think that people buying a new 225 are doing so for a "combat" or carry piece. Its probably just a shooter that they take to the range.
In that role, capacity is irrelevant.

As always: YMMV

 

[Old Dog]

I have been skeptical since this pistol was released; having been a fan of the original 225, when I first examined the new issue, I wasn't impressed. However, the wife, who loves SIGs in general while favoring single-stack 9MMs, is attempting to talk me into the new 225 ... with the (always great) SIG-Lite night-sights and the SRT, and upon further examination, it seems to be a better, more hand-filling version of the 239.

If you want to stick to DA/SA then the CZ-75 is by and large the absolute best option there.

Good lord, why is it when talking about a specific pistol, the fanboys always bring up their favorites. Anyway, let's be real: the SIG SRT is a superior trigger, as far as DA/SA goes, than any factory CZ-75. And no, we weren't talking about striker-fired pistols either, dude.

Guns with hammers are a thing of the past.

Possibly one of the sillier statements I've seen on an internet gun forum lately ...

 

[JDR]

If you want to stick to DA/SA then the CZ-75 is by and large the absolute best option there. For striker fired out of my experience I like the M&P and SW99/P99 series.

I have a CZ 75B, it's a great gun, I don't know that it's the "best option" though. I'd look at the CZ P-01 and the HK P2000 V2 LEM trigger variant as two excellent carry options, I currently carry an HK P30 DA/SA V3 trigger variant.

I think I'd have to give strong consideration to the Sig P320 subcompact for a really good striker fired carry gun, and I'd have to see what the HK VP9 "SK" looks like when that comes out.

>>The P225 is as big as a Glock 19 and holds half the ammo<<

Fortunately, not everyone is hung up on high capacity.

Fortunately, you can always carry extra magazines!