evan price
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ALmost 6000 rounds through my P22, it's a fun gun, it is the one gun that ALWAYS goes to the range with me and gets shot. Glad I bought it, would buy another.
Sig Mosquito vs. Walther p22
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PennsyPlinker
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Well it looks like the thread is going to live for a while, so I will post my experience here too. I have owned a P22 for almost two years now. It is reliable with Federal Champion bulk ammo from Cabela's. It is probably paper plate accurate, but not much better than that. I keep it mainly for the kids and now the grandkids. The grandson in particular is more excited with the noise and smoke than actually hitting anything. But that will come as he gets older.
I really enjoy shooting .22 myself, so if I want to get some real practice in, I put the Kadet conversion kit on my CZ 75 P-01 for semi auto, or for more contemplative shooting, I shoot the Ruger Single Six. Both are very accurate and fun to shoot. I have a Colt 1911 on the way, and I am already lusting after a conversion kit for it!
I really enjoy shooting .22 myself, so if I want to get some real practice in, I put the Kadet conversion kit on my CZ 75 P-01 for semi auto, or for more contemplative shooting, I shoot the Ruger Single Six. Both are very accurate and fun to shoot. I have a Colt 1911 on the way, and I am already lusting after a conversion kit for it!
TexasRifleman
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I too had the Sig and it's one of the very few handguns I've sold. It was just awful.
I have a P22 and have had no issues at all with it. It feeds the cheapo Wal Mart bulk ammo just fine. It's got maybe 500 rounds through....
I have a P22 and have had no issues at all with it. It feeds the cheapo Wal Mart bulk ammo just fine. It's got maybe 500 rounds through....
trueblue1776
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My P22 has been top notch. For $479 you can buy a P22 w/ suppressor from impact guns. 
It's awesome how everybody comes out of the woods to badmouth those two pistols. Yes, I have seen the same two slide failure pictures everybody else has seen here on THR.
I have an extremely early P22 (N008###) and it has been flawless. This is a Chevy verses Ford argument if you ask me. If the P22 was such junk, they wouldn't STILL be such big sellers after 8 years on the market.
It's awesome how everybody comes out of the woods to badmouth those two pistols. Yes, I have seen the same two slide failure pictures everybody else has seen here on THR.
I have an extremely early P22 (N008###) and it has been flawless. This is a Chevy verses Ford argument if you ask me. If the P22 was such junk, they wouldn't STILL be such big sellers after 8 years on the market.
Electric Factory
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"It's awesome how everybody comes out of the woods to badmouth those two pistols.
I have an extremely early P22 (N008###) and it has been flawless. This is a Chevy verses Ford argument if you ask me. If the P22 was such junk, they wouldn't STILL be such big sellers after 8 years on the market. "
Your last statement sums it up perfectly if you ask me. Both the P22 and Mosquito seem to be both extremely popular and controversial. It still don't quite understand the animosity regarding the Mosquito- by most accounts here user experience has been positive.
Kind of a head scratcher.
I have an extremely early P22 (N008###) and it has been flawless. This is a Chevy verses Ford argument if you ask me. If the P22 was such junk, they wouldn't STILL be such big sellers after 8 years on the market. "
Your last statement sums it up perfectly if you ask me. Both the P22 and Mosquito seem to be both extremely popular and controversial. It still don't quite understand the animosity regarding the Mosquito- by most accounts here user experience has been positive.
Kind of a head scratcher.
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Best price I've seen for a Sport is at Bud's. It's still advertised on their website's front page but had gone up $17 since when I ordered at $330 delivered.
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/index.php
I haven't totally taken down my Mosi to examine the internals. Not sure what can be done for the DA pull weight, possibly a simple spring replacement.
Sig Mosquito...a pistol or a pest?
I own two Sig pistols, P220 and P226, and I just felt the urge to purchase the Mosquito...I got mine for $284; I am not overly impressed.
The trigger is plastic and it is "picky" when it comes to ammo. I had numerous rounds not seat in the chamber and that caused me switch to another brand, but the magazine feeder spring doesn't appear to be stiff enough. I had 3 to 4 times in which the top round in the factory mag was "missed" by the returning bolt.
I agree with the gentleman in this forum that suggested the Ruger MarkIII; get one in SS, bull barrel, walnut grips and an extra clip for about the same price and a firearm that will shoot about anything you feed it.
I wonder if I can return mine? This pistol size is 90% of that of the P226 and P220, but it's not even close to the same "animal" as the other SIG pistols...
I am 90% dissatisfied with mine...try the Ruger or Browning.
I own two Sig pistols, P220 and P226, and I just felt the urge to purchase the Mosquito...I got mine for $284; I am not overly impressed.
The trigger is plastic and it is "picky" when it comes to ammo. I had numerous rounds not seat in the chamber and that caused me switch to another brand, but the magazine feeder spring doesn't appear to be stiff enough. I had 3 to 4 times in which the top round in the factory mag was "missed" by the returning bolt.
I agree with the gentleman in this forum that suggested the Ruger MarkIII; get one in SS, bull barrel, walnut grips and an extra clip for about the same price and a firearm that will shoot about anything you feed it.
I wonder if I can return mine? This pistol size is 90% of that of the P226 and P220, but it's not even close to the same "animal" as the other SIG pistols...
I am 90% dissatisfied with mine...try the Ruger or Browning.
LegalAlien
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Read this thread on the Mosquito
Go for the Browing Buckmark or the Ruger
Go for the Browing Buckmark or the Ruger
i want to throw one in for the mosquito. I have run about 300 rounds through mine (Federal bulk pack) with no problems. i had a P22 years ago, and after about 1K rounds it felt like it was about to fall apart. I like the feel of the mosquito the best out of all .22lr pistols i've had the pleasure of shooting. Yes, the DA trigger is awful, the SA trigger isn't bad once you get used to it. i am very glad i invested in the mosquito and expect that it will be quite a performer. Also i hear that Sig takes care of the problems with their guns should anything go wrong. We'll see i guess.
Roccobro
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Ditto, but a couple K less rounds. Did the fluff and buff from the "P22 Bible" and just love the way it runs. It goes to the range EVERY TIME. I like to give it to my buddies girlfriends when they shy away from the mans favorite pistol from recoil. Cheap Remy Golden bullets work the best with zero problems. Better ammo doesn't do so good... Go figure.
According to S&W, slide fractures are from worn or weak recoil springs. They replace anything on the gun for free should anything happen. Shoot, they sent me free springs I lost during a midnight detailed strip.
Justin
FieroCDSP
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I also am happy with my P22 so far. 1K rounds through it, and after I did a partial smith job on it to reduce wear, I've had no complaints and hardly a fail-to-feed. The P22 Bible is really the thing you need from the get-go to make the gun run like a custom. Heck, they should either do the work at the factory or package the bible and the few required tools with it, because while it can run stock, the wear and tear of the stamped metal parts on the slide can lead to failures.
SO far, the only slide cracks or breaks I've seen have been on the 5" models. THe thought is that the slide is slamming against the compensator and putting stress on it. THe short models have fared quite well in comparison.
For those who don't have it and would really like it, you can PM me for the P22 Bible. I didn't write it, but it's a wealth of info that I'm sure the author wanted to be shared.
SO far, the only slide cracks or breaks I've seen have been on the 5" models. THe thought is that the slide is slamming against the compensator and putting stress on it. THe short models have fared quite well in comparison.
For those who don't have it and would really like it, you can PM me for the P22 Bible. I didn't write it, but it's a wealth of info that I'm sure the author wanted to be shared.
Roccobro
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http://www.freespeech.com/1917-1911M_P22_bible.pdf
There is a thread on Rimfirecentral cataloging slide failures. There are a few of 3.4" models breaking. Seems it may well be the recoil spring weakening leading to slide fracture all around the slide at the front sight hole. Slide impacting slide stop is the culprit.
Another downside to the mosquito I remembered today... It only comes with one mag while the Rugers and P-22 come with 2! The dealer didn't carry mags so I don't know how they compare cost wise... I like to have about 5 mags for each of my .22 pistols.
Justin
There is a thread on Rimfirecentral cataloging slide failures. There are a few of 3.4" models breaking. Seems it may well be the recoil spring weakening leading to slide fracture all around the slide at the front sight hole. Slide impacting slide stop is the culprit.
Another downside to the mosquito I remembered today... It only comes with one mag while the Rugers and P-22 come with 2! The dealer didn't carry mags so I don't know how they compare cost wise... I like to have about 5 mags for each of my .22 pistols.
Justin
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Sig Mosquito vs Walther P22
I bought a new Walther P-22, because I am a big Walther fan, and I loved the scaled down size but it was a frequent jammer. It jammed with all brands of ammo and three dirrerent clips.
I traded it for a new Sig Mosquito, because I am a big Sig lover. The Mosquito jams even worse. It will shoot five or six rounds on a clean barrel and chamber, then start jamming every shot. I'm going to send it back to Sig and see if they will fix it.
If Ruger can make a 22 pistol shoot why can't Sig and Walther?
DP
I bought a new Walther P-22, because I am a big Walther fan, and I loved the scaled down size but it was a frequent jammer. It jammed with all brands of ammo and three dirrerent clips.
I traded it for a new Sig Mosquito, because I am a big Sig lover. The Mosquito jams even worse. It will shoot five or six rounds on a clean barrel and chamber, then start jamming every shot. I'm going to send it back to Sig and see if they will fix it.
If Ruger can make a 22 pistol shoot why can't Sig and Walther?
DP
I bought a P22 Target (5" Barrel) about a year back as my first handgun. I liked how functionally the P22 was like a larger weapon and I liked how it looked.
Generally speaking I'll have a ftf 2-3 times per bulk pack of federal, and rarely have a fte problem. The only time my P22 gets finicky is if it's really dirty. My only real complaint about my P22 is the grip size, it's just too small for my giant ogre hands.
If I'd known now what I did then, I'd have looked at the other P22s they had and chosen a different one. Originally, the tap for the barrel weight wasn't quite in the right spot, which skewed the front sights at about a 5 degree angle, and the rear sights were loose.
After about 18,000 rounds the slide cracked below the front sight slot on the slide itself. By that point I had moved the front sights from the barrel weight to the slide itself. I took it back to the store I had bought it from and got it fixed for free courtesy of Walther.
Now, my P22 is much improved, the barrel weight (I don't really want to call it a compensator, too grandiose) is nice and square with the slide, and the rear sights are tight.
I won't say I regret having a P22 as my first firearm, but I don't think I'd add a 2nd to my collection. I'd rather have a Ruger Mk III.
Generally speaking I'll have a ftf 2-3 times per bulk pack of federal, and rarely have a fte problem. The only time my P22 gets finicky is if it's really dirty. My only real complaint about my P22 is the grip size, it's just too small for my giant ogre hands.
If I'd known now what I did then, I'd have looked at the other P22s they had and chosen a different one. Originally, the tap for the barrel weight wasn't quite in the right spot, which skewed the front sights at about a 5 degree angle, and the rear sights were loose.
After about 18,000 rounds the slide cracked below the front sight slot on the slide itself. By that point I had moved the front sights from the barrel weight to the slide itself. I took it back to the store I had bought it from and got it fixed for free courtesy of Walther.
Now, my P22 is much improved, the barrel weight (I don't really want to call it a compensator, too grandiose
) is nice and square with the slide, and the rear sights are tight.I won't say I regret having a P22 as my first firearm, but I don't think I'd add a 2nd to my collection. I'd rather have a Ruger Mk III.
greener
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I had been looking at the Sig and the P22. I caught a P22 at a price that seemed like a good deal. Somewhere between 600 and 900 rounds I noticed metal shavings in the action and the slide looked like this:
Sent it off to S&W and they replaced the barrel (????) but said the slide wear was normal. I think they sent a different slide back. I polished the trigger bar ears and have had no more difficulty with the slide.
It's taken a long time for me to get to the point that I can shoot the pistol with any degree of accuracy.
After a year with the P22, my opinion:
1. They could have done better on materials of construction (zinc slide) and fit and finish on parts. A simple matter of rounding stamped parts fixed the problem.
2. The pistol is, for me, hard to shoot accurately.
3. The pistol is a fun shooter and worth having in your collection.
If you are getting a first .22 or want one that is out of the box more accurate and reliable then the 22A, Ruger MKII/III or Buck Mark is a better purchase. Have them all and like shooting them all.
Sent it off to S&W and they replaced the barrel (????) but said the slide wear was normal. I think they sent a different slide back. I polished the trigger bar ears and have had no more difficulty with the slide.
It's taken a long time for me to get to the point that I can shoot the pistol with any degree of accuracy.
After a year with the P22, my opinion:
1. They could have done better on materials of construction (zinc slide) and fit and finish on parts. A simple matter of rounding stamped parts fixed the problem.
2. The pistol is, for me, hard to shoot accurately.
3. The pistol is a fun shooter and worth having in your collection.
If you are getting a first .22 or want one that is out of the box more accurate and reliable then the 22A, Ruger MKII/III or Buck Mark is a better purchase. Have them all and like shooting them all.
I love my P22. Cheap fun all the time. It rarely fails other than dud rounds out of a bulk pack. Accuracy is actually pretty good, the sights are open a little more than target sights. Good enough to hit a 12x18" steel plate at 100yards repeatedly shooting off hand. That's good enough for me. One of my shooting buddies has a suppressed one, and loves it as well.
At this point I'd probably get a Ruger next cause a target pistol would be fun. I shot a Mosquito but didn't like it that much, trigger was kind of blah. If I had to chose, I'd keep the P22 over a Ruger. Works great, accurate, and every person I introduce to shooting loves it. Especially the ladies.
One of my shooting buddies has a suppressed one, and loves it as well. At this point I'd probably get a Ruger next cause a target pistol would be fun. I shot a Mosquito but didn't like it that much, trigger was kind of blah. If I had to chose, I'd keep the P22 over a Ruger. Works great, accurate, and every person I introduce to shooting loves it. Especially the ladies.
Luis Leon
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There are a lot of negative comments about the P22, but everytime I take mine to the range it shoots just fine. Its not my main .22 plinker, but so far is has eaten 1000s of rounds with no problems. I bought it because it looks like a carry gun, and its fun to shoot.
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Luis Leon
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Luis Leon
S&W K22 circa 1947
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Catastrophic P22 Failure
Hey guys,
i'm new to this board...but not to shooting and i have/had a p22 with about 6500rnds thru it.
i just had the "business" end of the slide break off... all the way off... on round seven of ten. Slide, or most of it at least, landed beside me, and the end chunck landed 20ft in front of the shooting line.
it broke from the front edge of the sight opening straight down to the bottom of the slide...very cleanly along the casting line. I have cast aluminum many times and been a metal worker all my life and this looks like a design flaw(the slide is too thin)...the next slide they send me will have the same design ...same problem and none of my confidence.
i cannot beggin to describe how sketched out this left me. i really liked my p22. It was fickle with ammo but once i found something it liked(winchester dynapoint 40grain), it fed beautifully...
Now i don;t even want to shoot it. Destroyed any confidence i had in it as a machine.
please beware the p22 upper...and check it for cracks when you are field stripping it.
last, sorry for the poor quality pics....
-TheLame
in case the pics fail to link http://picasaweb.google.com/JonasHallGariano
Hey guys,
i'm new to this board...but not to shooting and i have/had a p22 with about 6500rnds thru it.
i just had the "business" end of the slide break off... all the way off... on round seven of ten. Slide, or most of it at least, landed beside me, and the end chunck landed 20ft in front of the shooting line.
it broke from the front edge of the sight opening straight down to the bottom of the slide...very cleanly along the casting line. I have cast aluminum many times and been a metal worker all my life and this looks like a design flaw(the slide is too thin)...the next slide they send me will have the same design ...same problem and none of my confidence.
i cannot beggin to describe how sketched out this left me. i really liked my p22. It was fickle with ammo but once i found something it liked(winchester dynapoint 40grain), it fed beautifully...
Now i don;t even want to shoot it. Destroyed any confidence i had in it as a machine.
please beware the p22 upper...and check it for cracks when you are field stripping it.
last, sorry for the poor quality pics....
-TheLame
in case the pics fail to link http://picasaweb.google.com/JonasHallGariano
Roccobro
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Once you get the gun back together, I'll buy it.
I'm starting a collection of them from scared owners (not many have had a failure, those that have have not been hurt at all).
Can you imagine how many failures and jams you'd have to get through on a Mosquito to get to 6500 rounds.
Justin
I'm starting a collection of them from scared owners (not many have had a failure, those that have have not been hurt at all).
Can you imagine how many failures and jams you'd have to get through on a Mosquito to get to 6500 rounds.
Justin
Roccobro
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Also if possible, please post your story and pixs on Rim fire central on their P22 failure documentation thread. The are trying to keep tabs on internet documented incidents.
http://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=96595
Notice the biggest whiner/complainer on the linked thread doesn't even own a P22!
Justin
http://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=96595
Notice the biggest whiner/complainer on the linked thread doesn't even own a P22!
Justin
col_tapiocca
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I used to have a P22 but a trade it for a Winchester 9422.
I'll never buy the P22 again. Get a Ruger MK II or III. Better material and more accurate then a P22.
I'll never buy the P22 again. Get a Ruger MK II or III. Better material and more accurate then a P22.
atblis
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In my experience
Anybody else find it odd that we get two pistol that are from reputable German manufacturers, that are similar in target market, intended use, plastic and zinc construction, and just downright crappiness. What the heck were Walther and SIG thinking?
In my experience, it would be about be about the same.
Anybody else find it odd that we get two pistol that are from reputable German manufacturers, that are similar in target market, intended use, plastic and zinc construction, and just downright crappiness. What the heck were Walther and SIG thinking?
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