Caipirinha
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Anybody know if the surplus Sig P6's are ok with +p ammo? The manual doesn't appear to rate it for +p but I don't read German so that's hardly conclusive.
Sig P6 and +P ammo
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skinewmexico
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Can't help you there, I've never felt the need for it.
Richard.Howe
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Mas' book on Sigs talks about this. Mostly, from the standpoint that his observation is that +p caused the 225's slide to cycle too quickly and sometimes miss the next round in the magazine. My thoughts were...then change the recoil spring and address the reliability AND the frame wear issue all at the same time.
Caipirinha
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Thanks for the info, I'll probably just stick to standard pressure loads in it.
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Not to annoy anyone, but what does +p mean?
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jaysouth
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the answer to this oft asked question is the same as the answer to a lot of mysteries.
"Do the numbers!"
simply stated, if you can afford enough high pressure ammo to wear out your P-6 or anyother Sig/Beretta/Glock/Smith/whatever, you can easily afford to buy a couple of new guns.
+P or +P+ ammo will accelerate the wear on your gun and shorten its life. There is no doubt that any sig can go 100,000 rounds before giving up the ghost. If +Ps cut that life in half, do the numbers, how much money would you have to spend on that many high pressure premium loads? My calculator says between $10,000 and $25,000 depending how hard a bargan you drive.
If you can afford that much, you can easily buy a new gun or two.
"Do the numbers!"
simply stated, if you can afford enough high pressure ammo to wear out your P-6 or anyother Sig/Beretta/Glock/Smith/whatever, you can easily afford to buy a couple of new guns.
+P or +P+ ammo will accelerate the wear on your gun and shorten its life. There is no doubt that any sig can go 100,000 rounds before giving up the ghost. If +Ps cut that life in half, do the numbers, how much money would you have to spend on that many high pressure premium loads? My calculator says between $10,000 and $25,000 depending how hard a bargan you drive.
If you can afford that much, you can easily buy a new gun or two.
Caipirinha
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I respectfully disagree with your assertion that these queries are simply about wear and tear and the dollars they incur. I think it behooves any firearms owner to be well aware of what they're getting into before they go off assuming it's ok and end up eating a slide later. Money ain't got nothing to do with it.
All Sigs were made to withstand pressure from the NATO 9mm round. that round is "hotter" than any standard non +P ammo available, and is most likely as hot as most +P rounds available. It has to be because many NATO nations (unlike the US) make extensive use of Submachine Guns, and they need a round that will reliably cycle a SMG.
It is my opinion that you would need more +P rounds than one could afford to make any measurable difference in wearing out a Sig, any Sig.
Remember that Sigs are all modern weapons and their original claim to fame(still is I believe) was rugged reliability, with an emphasis on the rugged as their original sales targets were military/police agencies where test to destruction specs are usually the norm.
It is my opinion that you would need more +P rounds than one could afford to make any measurable difference in wearing out a Sig, any Sig.
Remember that Sigs are all modern weapons and their original claim to fame(still is I believe) was rugged reliability, with an emphasis on the rugged as their original sales targets were military/police agencies where test to destruction specs are usually the norm.
jaysouth
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caipirinha,
What other issues are there other than wear and tear on the gun? Eating a slide is wear and tear simply stated and it costs money to 'eat a slide'.
I am confused, what other issues are there besides accelerated wear on the gun and it's cost.
Since you speak with such authority, how many rounds of standard pressure ammo will a Sig 225/p6 withstand before being worn out?
How many +P rounds?:banghead:
What other issues are there other than wear and tear on the gun? Eating a slide is wear and tear simply stated and it costs money to 'eat a slide'.
I am confused, what other issues are there besides accelerated wear on the gun and it's cost.
Since you speak with such authority, how many rounds of standard pressure ammo will a Sig 225/p6 withstand before being worn out?
How many +P rounds?:banghead:
Caipirinha
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Jaysouth,
So according to your thinking, if I wanted to shoot some hot reloads in a Glock 22, I should just figure on a little extra wear and not bother to find out if there might be any other potential issues. Whatever works for you I guess. Personally, I'll ask if I can't find an answer, even if that subjects me to snide responses.
So according to your thinking, if I wanted to shoot some hot reloads in a Glock 22, I should just figure on a little extra wear and not bother to find out if there might be any other potential issues. Whatever works for you I guess. Personally, I'll ask if I can't find an answer, even if that subjects me to snide responses.
jaysouth
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caipirinha,
you are straying off topic by referring to hot reloads in a glock .40.
again, if you buy hi pressure factory ammo and shoot it in your gun, what issues are there other than wear and tear on the gun and attendant cost?
are you making dark allusions to catrastrophic failure on account of shooting cor-bons, skeerin the wimmin and makin the hens quit layin? that's between you lawyer and cor-bon's insurance company.
once again:
"If you can afford to shoot enough +P ammo to wear out your gun, you can easily afford to buy a new gun or two."
show me where there are other factors involved, or what I have overlooked withhout invoking errornet gargage or urban legend.
you are straying off topic by referring to hot reloads in a glock .40.
again, if you buy hi pressure factory ammo and shoot it in your gun, what issues are there other than wear and tear on the gun and attendant cost?
are you making dark allusions to catrastrophic failure on account of shooting cor-bons, skeerin the wimmin and makin the hens quit layin? that's between you lawyer and cor-bon's insurance company.
once again:
"If you can afford to shoot enough +P ammo to wear out your gun, you can easily afford to buy a new gun or two."
show me where there are other factors involved, or what I have overlooked withhout invoking errornet gargage or urban legend.
I have heard that the reason for the heavy DA pull on the P6 is due to it being sprung for NATO subgun ammunition, with hard primers. So heavy springs were necessary to overcome that. Of course that could just be from the rumor mill, but it sounds plausible. 
If that is true, +P would be no big deal.
If that is true, +P would be no big deal.1BLINDREF
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+Ps are no problem for any Sigs.
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CAIPIRINHA,
The problem with the SIG 225 is that it is bullet sensitive. I have one and IT WILL NOT FEED FEDERAL HST for any reason. I can single load a round into the chamber and it will jam as soon as I fire it and it tries to cycle.
You can use REMINGTON JHP without problems. I have not had any with the WALMART 100 round boxes so far. If you can find REMINGTON +P, it should feed as well.
I spoke with a DUTCH cop who carried the SIG 225. They all used the GECO "BAT" found which uses a rubber plug to simulate the shape of ball (FMJ) ammo. He said it worked fine.
The standard FEDERAL JHP load may work, but I have not used it in the SIG yet. I would just use REMINGTON for defence and ball for practice.
Jim
CAIPIRINHA,
The problem with the SIG 225 is that it is bullet sensitive. I have one and IT WILL NOT FEED FEDERAL HST for any reason. I can single load a round into the chamber and it will jam as soon as I fire it and it tries to cycle.
You can use REMINGTON JHP without problems. I have not had any with the WALMART 100 round boxes so far. If you can find REMINGTON +P, it should feed as well.
I spoke with a DUTCH cop who carried the SIG 225. They all used the GECO "BAT" found which uses a rubber plug to simulate the shape of ball (FMJ) ammo. He said it worked fine.
The standard FEDERAL JHP load may work, but I have not used it in the SIG yet. I would just use REMINGTON for defence and ball for practice.
Jim
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I've tried a handful of JHP +P's in my P6, and did have one round fail to feed. It got hung up with the nose of the bullet pointed just below the feed ramp. I'm no expert in jams to say whether this was because of the +P rating cycling the slide too fast, or if it had more to do with the shape of the bullet itself. I don't know. It only happened once. I'll have to test some more before I know anything definitively. I'll mostly be putting standard pressure ball through it, but I'd like to find something I know will feed reliably for SD. My wife may carry this gun for a short while, so I know we'll be doing a lot more shooting in the next few months.
customizedcreationz
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Guys I am trying to address the issue of the difference between the P225 and the P6 barrel. The feed ramp angle is different and shaped different as well. I believe I have a cure for the non feeding HP in them.
But to answer the OP, yes it can handle +p and +p+. But like anything, run enough nitrous through your motor and you ll accelerate the wear on it. Whether you shoot 10,000 rds of +p in three weeks and blow it up is yet to be seen by me. But I think for the occasional use , you have no issues to worry about. I shoot +p+ through my sigs with no issues.
Good luck
But to answer the OP, yes it can handle +p and +p+. But like anything, run enough nitrous through your motor and you ll accelerate the wear on it. Whether you shoot 10,000 rds of +p in three weeks and blow it up is yet to be seen by me. But I think for the occasional use , you have no issues to worry about. I shoot +p+ through my sigs with no issues.
Good luck
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