Sig sauer Tango 4 New vs Old

[Jessesky]

I can’t find any information on the new generation of tango 4 other than the fact that it is a new generation. The old generation (grey) has a different turret than the new generation. Beyond this obvious visual difference and the color differences, I can’t find much info on if glass quality changed, or anything else changed. Does anyone know? I found one 4-16x44 for sale with the DEV-L MRAD reticle for $520. I’m thinking of taking the plunge at that price.

Trying to figure out if SIG made upgrades and ironed out bugs, or cheaped out cutting costs on a new model.

 

[Hikingman]

Sigforum.com

 

[Varminterror]

I think the rev counter was a-swing-and-a-miss feature. Once you rezeroed, the ramp was just a reminder of how many mils you were giving up by not using an angled base/mount/rings. I have two of the old style Tango4’s, definitely not a fan of that particular feature.

 

[rbernie]

Beyond this obvious visual difference and the color differences, I can’t find much info on if glass quality changed, or anything else changed.

The new one is less expensive than the old, which made me suspicious enough to ask this question of the Sig tech rep working the booth at a buyer's show. He indicated that the glass was the same but the erector was changed to provide less azimuth adjustment but more elevation adjustment.

I found one 4-16x44 for sale with the DEV-L MRAD reticle for $520

That seems a decent price.

think the rev counter was a-swing-and-a-miss feature. Once you rezeroed, the ramp was just a reminder of how many mils you were giving up by not using an angled base/mount/rings. I have two of the old style Tango4’s, definitely not a fan of that particular feature.

Concur - it served no useful function past the mounting stage.

 

[Jessesky]

The new one is less expensive than the old, which made me suspicious enough to ask this question of the Sig tech rep working the booth at a buyer's show. He indicated that the glass was the same but the erector was changed to provide less azimuth adjustment but more elevation adjustment.

That seems a decent price.

Concur - it served no useful function past the mounting stage.

The glass was my main concern. The price drop had me thinking they used entirely different glass. I bought it. We will see how it tracks.

 

[Varminterror]

Where are you finding them for $520? I’m not fully trusting of mine after seeing 3 failures in them, but for that price, I have a few rifles and pistols which could use them!

I don’t expect there was a change to the glass. I do believe it’s really a market influence - they dropped products at a relatively high price point (relatively commensurate with the feature set, to be fair, just a larger feature set than most), had some hiccups and lost some early reputation points, so they moved with the market demand. There’s also a Go-to-market strategy (which I believe Sig follows based on a few of their product launches) such they launch with a higher MSRP, offering sales and deals to get some traction, and then ultimately adjust the price down to reflect “normal market value” of the product. They did the same thing with the LRF lines also - and the LRF’s were immediately accepted as high performing, even forcing a market shift.

 

[rbernie]

I’m not fully trusting of mine after seeing 3 failures in them

I'd be curious to learn the failures that you had. I have three (two 6x-24x and one 4x-16x), and I've not used them hard enough yet to discover any glaring weaknesses. About my only real complaint so far is that the illumination on the reticle (I have the MOA milling) is uneven - I get a lot of off-center blush at any visible illumination setting.

 

[Varminterror]

I'd be curious to learn the failures that you had.

Neither of my Tango4’s have failed. The three failures of Sig optics I have seen firsthand:

2x parallax knob broke free, immediately fogging the scope. GRANTED - these were at PRS matches, and we bang into barricades and admittedly, we’ll use adjustment knobs as pivot points against obstacles = a little more stress on gear than the average hunter. But also - it’s “Tango” for “tactical,” so it shouldn’t be fragile. Both were 4-16x, both the original style.

1x elevation adjustment failed - turn the knob, no movement. That particular shooter may have been less tolerant than I would be - Sig replaced it, but it DID take them more than 3 months, so he wrote the whole thing off and sold the new one without even opening the box. It was right at the beginning of their production, so there simply wasn’t a replacement scope to be had (I was trying to buy one at the time, and couldn’t find one anywhere - apparently, Sig couldn’t either). This was a 6-24x.

Both of my Tango4 4-16x’s have been great scopes. I got them for considerably less than street price at the time, and I’m very happy for the money. Were it not for the concern I’ve developed after seeing those failures I mentioned, the 4-16x Dev-L would be my go-to hunting scope. Maybe a bit more time with mine and seeing performance from the Gen1.5 version will convince me. Good tracking, good clarity and resolution. Mine don’t have any illumination glare outside of the reticle and don’t appear inconsistent. When I bought mine, sale prices were competitive with the Leupold VX3i, and I’d recommend the Sig as a class better optic, let alone more highly featured. So I REALLY like the Sig’s, but I’m disappointed that I really don’t want to let myself like them so much yet.

 

[rbernie]

Roger all. Just to be clear - I'm not getting blush outside of the reticle, but the reticle itself goes really soft (like a bloom) anywhere off-center when the illumination is on. I assume that it's a color aberration in the ocular, but dunno for sure.

 

[Jessesky]

Where are you finding them for $520? I’m not fully trusting of mine after seeing 3 failures in them, but for that price, I have a few rifles and pistols which could use them!

I don’t expect there was a change to the glass. I do believe it’s really a market influence - they dropped products at a relatively high price point (relatively commensurate with the feature set, to be fair, just a larger feature set than most), had some hiccups and lost some early reputation points, so they moved with the market demand. There’s also a Go-to-market strategy (which I believe Sig follows based on a few of their product launches) such they launch with a higher MSRP, offering sales and deals to get some traction, and then ultimately adjust the price down to reflect “normal market value” of the product. They did the same thing with the LRF lines also - and the LRF’s were immediately accepted as high performing, even forcing a market shift.

Www.drgunsupply.com (Top 25 Gunbroker seller)

On their Gunbroker page they had them listed at $519 (cash discount price) with free shipping. If you pay by card it came to $533.

I called them up because the listing ended and they sold out on Gunbroker. The sales rep said they have two left in stock on their website in the Mil Dev-L.

They have more left of the MOA dev-l as well. But I prefer to work in Mils