SIGArms Defensive Rifle course review

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On May 7th and 8th I attended the SIGArms two day defensive rifle course in Exeter, NH. The class was designed as an introduction to the use of a carbine as a defensive weapon.
www.sigarms.com/EducationTraining/Courses/ShowCourseDetails.aspx?cid=35&ccid=11

There were four students in the class, each with different firearm experience levels, but we all used AR15s (at least the first day):

Me: I brought my Bushmaster XM15-E2S, a 16 inch heavy barrel AR15, with carbine length handguards, fixed butt stock, fixed carry handle, and A2 sights. I was the only person using strictly iron sights. The only changes I have made to the rifle are a replacement front sight (tritium insert) and an Ergo grip. I’ve had the rifle for a few years, but have shot only about 1,000 rounds through it. Still, I knew how to use it and the iron sights were zeroed at 50 yards.

Hans: Brought a 20 inch (or 22 inch?) Colt Sporter in the A2 configuration with an Aimpoint mounted on the fixed carry handle. Other than the optic, his gun was stock. It was also fresh from the box having never been fired by Hans. Neither the iron sights nor Aimpoint had been zeroed by Hans. He was new to the AR15 platform, but has attended many classes at SIGarms, primarily handgun courses.

Ed: Had a Bushmaster AR15 in the M4 style with an Aimpoint mounted on the flat-top upper. This rifle was borrowed from the fourth student, Armand. IIRC, this rifle was also new. It was new to Ed, at least. Ed is a cop in Massachusetts, but had little to no experience with the AR15 rifles.

Armand: Had a brand-new Bushmaster with 20 inch barrel and all of the bells and whistles. He brought a total of four rifles to the course and used every one of them. One was used by Ed. Armand’s new Bushy took a mechanical nose-dive during the morning of the first day when his bolt hold open lever broke or fell off, I’m not sure which. One thing is certain: the BHO was way too sensitive and would not reliably hold open the bolt once engaged. The other rifles he used included another AR in 6.8mm SPC, also fully rigged, and a Beretta CX4 Storm .40SW. Armand is a real gun-guy; he owns many, but I don’t know his overall experience.

Scott: The instructor used all SIG gear, naturally. The rifle was a SIG 556 with a Surefire vertical foregrip and light. It also had an Aimpoint, IIRC. His handgun was a SIG, but I didn’t see what model; I can’t ID SIG handguns at all. Scott is currently working for a NH police department where he is the firearms trainer for their tactical team.

Day 1, morning:

Our first day started at 0815 when we signed the standard liability waivers at the SIGArms academy. The main building was being remodeled so we met at a mobile classroom near the rifle range that we would use. We were in class by 0830 where we spent a few minutes getting to know each other and discussing the standard safety protocols. We also covered some AR15 specific information and discussed ballistics of various calibers and guns. It was a quick discussion; we were on the range by 0915 or so. That was the last time that we would use the classroom until the end of the course. Lots of range time.

The morning range period started off quickly. I was expecting to ease into rifle drills, but we jumped right in. We had a quick brief on proper positioning of the rifle to the shoulder, head, and arms, and a review of the nomenclature of parts.

The first shooting drill was at the 5 yard line. We started with trigger control and sight alignment. We had to shoot a tight group while properly working the trigger. Next, we were shooting to demonstrate the offset distance between the muzzle and the sights. My rifle with its zeroed, iron sights has an offset of about 1.5 inches. In other words, the bullets I fired were hitting about 1.5 inches lower than where I aimed. Hans, with his high-mounted, non-zeroed Aimpoint was shooting several inches low and about 2 inches left. This drill also eased us into handling, loading, and unloading the rifles. We slowly moved back to the 25 yard line doing the same drill. By that time it was becoming apparent that some of the rifles needed to be zeroed (Note: the instructor, Scott, knew some rifles weren’t zeroed. He said that we would do it later on day one). Hans, Ed, Armand, and Scott adjusted the optic sights as we moved back to get a rough zero.

Most of the morning was spent getting comfortable with the rifles: lots of firing starting from the ready position, safety, magazine changes and exchanges, loading and unloading, etc. The morning ended with an official zeroing of the rifles from the 50 yard line. My rifle was right where it needed to be, and the other’s were close due to the constant small changes during the short-range drills.
 
Day 1, afternoon:

After lunch we were back at the short ranges to emphasize our rifle handling skills. Scott, the instructor, would teach us a new skill/drill, then demonstrate it to us, and then we would do the drill starting at the 5 yard line and working back to the 25 or 50 yard line. Later in the afternoon we were shooting from 75, 100, and 200 yards. That’s when the guys with the optics had a big advantage over my iron sights.

We also covered other ready positions, including cover ready (for covering a suspect), and inside ready (for moving in close quarters without sweeping the muzzle over people).

At the end of the first day we had a little contest. From the 5 yard line we were required to shoot the tightest 5 round group we could. Again, this was to emphasize trigger control and sight alignment. We had a warm-up and then the actual contest. Finally, my iron sights paid-off. We were shooting into the plain white area of the target, so there was no good aiming point. With my iron sights I was able to use the top edge and corner of the target as a reference point. I shot a one-hole group about the size of a dime. The guys with optics groups were at least twice as large. I won.

At the end of the day I realized that I wasn’t going to have enough ammo to finish the course. I had brought nearly 900 rounds with me; the course minimum requirement is 500. We did a little more shooting than planned. Not to worry. SIGArms sells ammo at a nice discount. I ordered two 870 round ammo cans of Black Hills. I’d get it in the morning.
 
Day 2, morning.

Got my ammo delivered to me at the range by Scott.

Warmed up with trigger and sight control drills. Then it was on to turning before shooting, and engaging multiple targets. We quickly moved on to shooting while moving forward, backward, sideways, and diagonally. Then we mixed it all together and did the delta drill. That’s walking in a triangle pattern, always facing the target, while shooting.

Just before the lunch break, we added the three kneeling positions and two sitting positions, plus squatting. Then we did drills from each position (standing, kneeling, prone, etc) to see which we like best.

Sometime just before lunch I ran low on the ammo I had brought with me. I originally had a mix of Winchester USA and Federal American Eagle, both 55 grain FMJ. I switched over to the Black Hills I had ordered. I loaded most of my magazines with it, about 14 mags in all. During the next shooting session, Hans, who was also shooting the Black Hills, started having bullets key hole. We discovered that the ammo was 62 grain frangible. Hans’ rifle had a 1 in 9 twist; his barrel could not stabilize the heavier bullets. “Oh, crap” I thought. My rifle has a 1:9 twist. Sure enough my rifle couldn’t shoot the ammo. They were making key holes at 5 yards. No problem, I had enough of the other to get me to lunch and Scott said he would swap the ammo for Sellier & Bellot.


Day 2, afternoon.

Back from lunch and down to business. First thing is shooting around barricades; shooting from both sides, but no over or under shooting. Then we sort of put it all together. Start from the 50 yard line, run to the 25 kneel and shoot, then run to the 10, then the 5, etc. Lots of shootin’ and scootin’.

We finished the day with the official Nashua Police Department rifle qualification. This one was also shot for high honors for the day. Here it is:

On go: Starting at the 100 yard line, run to the 75, fire 3 shots standing, 3 kneeling, and 3 prone.

Next, on go: run to the 50 fire 3 standing, 3 kneeling.

Then: run to the 25 fire 3 standing, 3 kneeling.

Run to the 10, fire 3 standing.

From the 10, starting while facing to the right, fire 3. Start facing left, fire 3. Start facing up range, fire 3.

Next, start at the 10. While walking to the 5, fire 3.

Next, start at the 5. While walking backwards, fire 3. That’s it, I think. I may have added a few shots; it is about a 35 round course. 27 hits needed for passing.

We all passed the course. The high shooter was Hans, who was the one with the brand new rifle and Aimpoint.

That wraps up the non-stop action. It really was a packed two days. We had very little down time, due to Scott. He sized us up pretty quickly on the first day. In his words he was, “reading us.” That explains why we each shot about 1,000 rounds instead of the 500 minimum listed in the course description.

At the end of the day we had some free time. We all got to try the Scott’s SIG 556 and Ed’s 6.8SPC. Ed told me all about the rifle, but I can’t remember who made the upper, although I do know it isn’t a standard off-the-shelf upper. He did have an IOR scope, which was very nice. We all got to take a turn with it from 200 yards on the steel plates.

I liked the 6.8, didn’t care for the SIG.

All in all a good time. I’d do it again next week if I could.
 
Great review, I am planning on taking a shotgun course up there in August. I may also take the Carbine skills builder.
 
Thanks.

Take knee and elbow pads, you're going to need them. There's lots of gravel and rocks on the ranges.
 
I forgot to include maintenance issues with the rifles.

My Bushmaster had no malfuntions during firing. I had two problems with live rounds popping out of magazines after the mags were seated into the mag well. Maybe I was using a little too much slap. That only happened when we were starting a new drill and I loaded the rifle with the bolt locked open.
I didn't clean the rifle during the course, but I did lube the bolt carrier group after the first day.

Hans' new Colt had multiple problems, including the "Queen Mother of all malfunctions," according to Scott. Hans was lucky enough to enjoy two or three double feeds, and one or two where the bolt tried to push a fired case backwards into the chamber.

I already mentioned Armand's first problem: the bad bolt hold open latch. His other AR15 that he used also had one or two stoppages, but I don't remember the variety. His CX4 ran without issue, as did his 6.8SPC, but we only shot that for fun at the end of the course.

Ed's rifle also had several stoppages, including one Queen Mother, and several lesser issues.

Scott's SIG 556 had no failures.

In addition to the feeding issues I had with my rifle, I had one magazine lock-up it's spring and follower. I think Ed was using it in Scott's 556 when the follower and spring stuck near the bottom of the mag. I forgot to check to make sure, but I'm pretty sure that it is one of my new CProducts mags. I know it is a 20 rounder with a Magpul base plate. I'll have to look closer at it when I get home.

I took 14 magazines with me to the course and used every one several times. Only the one mag mentioned above had any problems.

Just as a reminder, if you are going to gun school, test your gear before you get there. I knew that my rifle was sighted. I knew that my magazines and ammo worked in my rifle (with the unexpected jam on the 20 rounder). And I was comfortable using the gear I brought.

Hope it helps.
 
My Bushmaster had no malfuntions during firing. I had two problems with live rounds popping out of magazines after the mags were seated into the mag well. Maybe I was using a little too much slap. That only happened when we were starting a new drill and I loaded the rifle with the bolt locked open.

Does that mean that Sig is teaching that you slap the magazine home like the Army teaches and that they don't teach push-pull?

Jeff
 
Jeff,

They do teach push-pull. I may have been "over pushing." Maybe I slapped the mag home instead of pushing. In any case, it only happened once.

M92FS,

The "queen mother" according to the instructor is when the bolt tried to push a new, unfired cartridge and a empty, fired case into the chamber at the same time. The fired case prevents the extractor on the bolt to remove the fresh round. But the fresh round is wedged half-way into the chamber between the fired case and the side of the upper receiver. In the two or three events I saw, a screwdriver or knive or plier was required to get the stoppage cleared.
 
quote by Fly320s : M92FS,

The "queen mother" according to the instructor is when the bolt tried to push a new, unfired cartridge and a empty, fired case into the chamber at the same time. The fired case prevents the extractor on the bolt to remove the fresh round. But the fresh round is wedged half-way into the chamber between the fired case and the side of the upper receiver. In the two or three events I saw, a screwdriver or knive or plier was required to get the stoppage cleared.


did the instructor try to clear the stoppage using the normal procedure. remove mag. , pull the charging handle ? :)
 
30 Cal,

$400 for the two days.

The SIG was front-end heavy, even without the VFG and light. More importantly, I could not reach the safety and mag release without shifting my hand, probably because the grip is too large. The instructor, Scott had the same problem. He would hold the grip with his right thumb (strong hand) on the right side of the grip so that he could reach the safety (it's ambidextrous). Otherwise, it shot well and had a softer felt recoil.

M92FS,

With that kind of stoppage the extractor could not grab the rim of the case. So running the tap, rack, bang drill wouldn't work. In these cases, the empty case and fresh round were literally jammed together. It took a good tug with pliers to get them free.
 
quote by Fly320s : With that kind of stoppage the extractor could not grab the rim of the case. So running the tap, rack, bang drill wouldn't work. In these cases, the empty case and fresh round were literally jammed together. It took a good tug with pliers to get them free.


sounds like a bad stoppage , I never encountered this type of stoppage before. thks for the explanation . :)
 
This drill also eased us into handling, loading, and unloading the rifles. We slowly moved back to the 25 yard line doing the same drill. By that time it was becoming apparent that some of the rifles needed to be zeroed (Note: the instructor, Scott, knew some rifles weren’t zeroed. He said that we would do it later on day one).

Curious as to why, your guns were not hard zeroed right off the bat. He knew guns were not squared away?

have you trained with anyone else in Carbine use prior to this class?

thanks for the info.
 
Booner,

I don't know why we didn't sight-in the rifles first. That's just how the instructor did it. It seemed to work out just fine though.

The only previous rifle training I had was in Army basic back in 1988.
 
Ok, Every class i have been to we zeroed the guns then confirmed them every day.

at todays ammo cost i cant see not hard zeroing first thing of the day.

All is well then ........

glad you had a good time
 
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