Silencer, have you made one?
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just for everyones knowlegde my dad works at a machine shop and we have permission by the owner to use it. So I have that out of the way, plus I have a different idea of a silencer to try out with a form 1.
Oooh, that's risky. Too bad you weren't in a country like here in the USA where RKBA shall not be infringed. Wait a second...
I was waiting for Ranb to show up. I'm thinking about saving up and building a wood working shop. I may have to tack a machine shop on the proverbial wish list as well.
You can certainly make your own silencer, but something that has only been touched on is what PTK said, you only get one try.
If you get your stamp, you start working on it, and halfway through, you screw it up, if what you made can be called a silencer, you can not legally make another one. If you finish, and it doesn't work well, you can't just scrap it and try again.
If you could legally experiment with it, ie, out of the country, it wouldn't be a problem, but when you have to put up the 200 dollars for each experiment, it becomes a whole other animal.
Not saying don't do it, just saying, think about that.
If you get your stamp, you start working on it, and halfway through, you screw it up, if what you made can be called a silencer, you can not legally make another one. If you finish, and it doesn't work well, you can't just scrap it and try again.
If you could legally experiment with it, ie, out of the country, it wouldn't be a problem, but when you have to put up the 200 dollars for each experiment, it becomes a whole other animal.
Not saying don't do it, just saying, think about that.
Well, if you thought you were going to make more than 5, or more than 5 tries, wouldn't it be a better idea to get an 07 FFL ($150 for 3 years) and a Class 2 SOT ($1000)?
If you're actually interested in trying out new ideas, this is probably the best (legal) route, rather than waiting for approval and paying for multiple form 1's. If it really is a novel, workable idea, you'd probably want to sell them anyways when you finish R&D...
If you're actually interested in trying out new ideas, this is probably the best (legal) route, rather than waiting for approval and paying for multiple form 1's. If it really is a novel, workable idea, you'd probably want to sell them anyways when you finish R&D...
As the maker of a form 1 silencer, I can make repairs, but I can not change the bore, lengthen the tube or replace parts. The repairs I have made so far have been limited to hammering out dents in end caps and baffles, as well as cutting off a welded end cap to inspect internals. Making a baffle or any other part is by itself making a new silencer in the eyes of the ATF. For an FF/SOT class 2, this is no problem, just register it on an ATF form 2, no tax.
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Right. I forgot about that. I even have an ATF letter that tells me so. The same letter tells me that I am sh-t out of luck on replacing any other parts.
I was going to make a wipe can for my 1895 nagant revolver. I wanted to make the wipes as a replaceable cartridge like the Hush Puppy (yes?). But then I realized that the ATF might say the parts of the cartridge holding the wipes together as a unit are not replaceable and I can not have extra wipes on hand ready to pop in either. ARGG!
In the end I permanently attached an adaptor to the muzzle of my Nagant to mount my 9mm can. It works just fine as long as I settle for broad side of the barn accuracy with the sights covered up.
What host are you using wipes on?
Ranb
The same letter tells me that I am sh-t out of luck on replacing any other parts. I was going to make a wipe can for my 1895 nagant revolver. I wanted to make the wipes as a replaceable cartridge like the Hush Puppy (yes?). But then I realized that the ATF might say the parts of the cartridge holding the wipes together as a unit are not replaceable and I can not have extra wipes on hand ready to pop in either. ARGG!
In the end I permanently attached an adaptor to the muzzle of my Nagant to mount my 9mm can. It works just fine as long as I settle for broad side of the barn accuracy with the sights covered up.
What host are you using wipes on?
Ranb
Ahhh, yes, the wipes have to be as-is. Mine are .125" red gasket material. I use them in a subsonic 9x18 design (modified CZ-82). Blowback is a pain out of a straight blowback pistol.
For my 1895, I just threaded the muzzle 1.2-28x.300". I still need to make an offset silencer for it, though.
As for having extra wipes around, I read it as they're the ONLY thing we can have laying around extra. I had a little stack of them pre-cut before I moved.
For my 1895, I just threaded the muzzle 1.2-28x.300". I still need to make an offset silencer for it, though.
As for having extra wipes around, I read it as they're the ONLY thing we can have laying around extra. I had a little stack of them pre-cut before I moved.
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Ranb, are you the guy on youtube with the silenced nagant? I assume it's you because silenced revolvers are far and few between.
Not me. The only videos I have up on the net are my 338 / 510 whispers and an AR-15 supersonic/subsonic duel.
The only suppressed 1895 Nagant video I have seen was with a 30 calbier rifle silencer (I think) probably shooting factory target speed ammo which accounts for why it is so impressively quiet (on my computer anyway).
I load my Nagant ammo with either 1.8 grains of NM04 for 700 fps or 3 grains for 1000 fps. The lighter load is less noisy unsuppressed, have not tested it through my 9mm can suppressed yet.
Ranb
The only suppressed 1895 Nagant video I have seen was with a 30 calbier rifle silencer (I think) probably shooting factory target speed ammo which accounts for why it is so impressively quiet (on my computer anyway).
I load my Nagant ammo with either 1.8 grains of NM04 for 700 fps or 3 grains for 1000 fps. The lighter load is less noisy unsuppressed, have not tested it through my 9mm can suppressed yet.
Ranb
My ATF letter said I could only make new wipes after destroying the old ones. But that letter is really only worth the paper it was printed on. I’m sure I can not count on it to keep me out of trouble if I ever waved it at a court or police official while trying to talk ( I wouldn’t) my way out of being handcuffed.
I wrote a few letters several years back. I (and others) have come to the conclusion that the only thing those letters do is give the BATFE more ideas on how to restrict gun owners.
The last thing we need to do is give those guys more ideas. All of the ATF agents I have met were polite and knowledgeable, but our friends they are not!
Ranb
I wrote a few letters several years back. I (and others) have come to the conclusion that the only thing those letters do is give the BATFE more ideas on how to restrict gun owners.
The last thing we need to do is give those guys more ideas. All of the ATF agents I have met were polite and knowledgeable, but our friends they are not!
Ranb
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The guy on youtube used a cobra 9mm silencer and the gun was fairly quiet. Thats interesting that there are at least 3 silenced revolvers accounted for, althought I'd love to see a silenced J-frame, I doubt that would work as well as a nagant.
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I am quite certian this idea will work. Is there a legal way to try out a design? I have a very unique design I am quite certain will work. I will try to find a way to put the design up on here... maybe a pic of the drawing I have?
Can material?
Ranb and others who have made these,
Where did you find info on what material to construct the outer can out of? specifically, how to contain the gas volume/pressure from a higher power rifle cartridge?
Aluminum seems fine for a 22LR. But i have been looking off-and-on for a long time to no avail on what metal? (steel, aluminum) what type? (4140, aircraft, other) and how thick? to construct a suppressor for a 308Win, for example.
Any help appreciated!
C-
p.s. trial and error seems too risky- more like making schrapnel than anything else!
Ranb and others who have made these,
Where did you find info on what material to construct the outer can out of? specifically, how to contain the gas volume/pressure from a higher power rifle cartridge?
Aluminum seems fine for a 22LR. But i have been looking off-and-on for a long time to no avail on what metal? (steel, aluminum) what type? (4140, aircraft, other) and how thick? to construct a suppressor for a 308Win, for example.
Any help appreciated!
C-
p.s. trial and error seems too risky- more like making schrapnel than anything else!
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If you guys are really going to go with the machine shop mindset, you might as well do it right.
http://www.lindsaybks.com/dgjp/index.html
There is no need for me to suffer being a Gingery widow alone.
I use .070" aluminum for 22lr and 9mm with screw on end caps. .125" wall aluminum tubing is good for my take apart 338 and 510 whisper and 458 socom cans. If I used 4130 or 304SS for the subsonic rifle cartridges, then I would use .035" and weld the end caps on. I use 4130 welded cans for my high powered rifles. .035" for 223, .095" for 338 RUM and I would probably use .065" for .308 win. No problems so far. I am probably over building.
Aluminum is common for pistol silencers and 304SS is common on the rifle silencers. I no nothing about titanium.
Ranb
Aluminum is common for pistol silencers and 304SS is common on the rifle silencers. I no nothing about titanium.
Ranb
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This one?
That's a Russian M1895 Nagant revolver. It uses an unusual cylinder design where the cylinder actually moves forward and seals off the barrel/cylinder gap before firing.
Uses this cartridge, the 7.62x38mmR Nagant:
Yes, a revolver that works well suppressed.
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Those silenced nagants are too cool. I'd like to have a silencer for my ar-15 just to make it not brutal to shoot without plugs and muffs. (I think I have sensitive ears)
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