Slapper
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Old Dog
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Old school.
May have to find one, the way things are going in my present state.
When was it made, and by whom?
May have to find one, the way things are going in my present state.
When was it made, and by whom?
Coyote3855
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Is it legal to carry where you live?
CoalCrackerAl
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What is it?
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DDDWho
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Called a few different things including Blackjack, Sap, Slapjack and.Slapper. Police stopped using them because they caused too much damage.
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DDDWho
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Yes everywhere a gun is legal. We are a Constitutional Carry state
CoalCrackerAl
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Thanks DDDWho.
JeffG
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Definitely old school. They are most effective applied to hard bone surfaces, knees, shins, elbow, head. Unfortunately when applied too vigorously to the head, you can wind up with an unintended "crappie floppy".
Jeff62
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I first heard “crappie floppy” in training in 1982. It was in reference to a slapper strike causing a depression fracture to the cranium.
I’ve heard slappers are very effective.
I’ve heard slappers are very effective.
theotherwaldo
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Public librarians call them 'book weights' and quite legally keep them in reach... .
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I've always like the concept. Easy to carry concealed, and can make a big difference vs open hands. A literal force multiplier. But they're not legal in my State.
Like all things, location of the blow matters.
Speedo66
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We first used them when I started as a LEO in 1969.
New regulations eventually forbid their use. Unless you know what you’re doing, serious head injuries are possible.
Night sticks, about 26” of 1 1/2” diameter cocabolo, were also removed and replaced with shorter plastic “day sticks”.
New regulations eventually forbid their use. Unless you know what you’re doing, serious head injuries are possible.
Night sticks, about 26” of 1 1/2” diameter cocabolo, were also removed and replaced with shorter plastic “day sticks”.
Kingcreek
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My grandfather carried a sap in the 1940s. Black leather with lead shot in it so it had a little give compared to the hard ones. I still have it somewhere just as a novelty but I would never carry it.
Jimfern
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I inherited this little ditty from a police woman. I’m guessing it’s circa ‘80s
a 20 ounce sap, a friend's father had one because he was a part time security guard. There is a slug of lead in one end . His was tan saddle leather with a " salvo tablet" of lead in the end. It's for sorting out rowdy customers. He worked as a security guard in a day old bakery in Gary, Indiana, to make extra money.
JFrame
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I've often thought about getting one of those, because I actually have the need to anchor books open (am an old-school hardcopy reader/researcher), and they always made me think of slappers.
theotherwaldo
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Amazon carries book weights for about $25, EBay for about ten dollars less.
JFrame
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Gordon
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I was first introduced to them by my Detective uncle Gil around around 1956 when he took me from Jersey to "the cop shop" owned by Chic Gaylord in NYC on some Saturday mornings. I loved the donuts , the sip of nasty coffee at 10 years old and listened to the cop chatter. By the time I hit thirteen Chic had me shooting his Sentinel .22 snub in the little un vented 50 foot ex fur vault range and was seriously shown moves with jacks and sap and cuffs ect. amid hair curling stories. Uncle Gil retired in 61 when I entered HS and he started full time on his Jazz band second career he had since the 40s . By then I knew how to wield the Bucheimer sap he had given me. I did not take it to school ect. as I was "sworn" to obey the law !
I started collecting saps in the early 80s and wore weighted sap glove doing the reserve PD gigs for the next 20 years and did few arrests but helped in more than a few. I also took Taikwando since the 70s and Akido in the late 90s. My reservist appointment was political and revolved around PD owned Vehicles and the shooting team and cleaning and low level gun maintence . A change of the admin to ethnic progressives and I was out, before 911 .
Any way my input on the subject is :
Practice with your sap , get training off the Utube and there are only a couple books on it and very little dojo type training other than an"add on" in some schools.
Unless I am fighting for keeps in a war like situation with no legal repercussion use a lead dust filled wide "beavertail " SAP , not a Jack or even an lead slug filled one ,a "lozenge" is what the cast slug is called. The lead dust filled wide surface area Beavertail greatly reduces the depressed fracture problem and properly used leaves little marking. An 8-9 .oz sap needs to be swung as hard as a fit person can to be viable defense. A 16 .0z beavertail is about optimum and effective, with moderate well aimed swings effectiveness begins at 12 .0z and any thing over about 25 .oz is too heavy , the LAPD and SAn Diego were still using a heavy "Gonzales" Sap until a few years ago. They weigh around 24 .oz and are effective and less deadly with moderate swings to other than head areas.
I started collecting saps in the early 80s and wore weighted sap glove doing the reserve PD gigs for the next 20 years and did few arrests but helped in more than a few. I also took Taikwando since the 70s and Akido in the late 90s. My reservist appointment was political and revolved around PD owned Vehicles and the shooting team and cleaning and low level gun maintence . A change of the admin to ethnic progressives and I was out, before 911 .
Any way my input on the subject is :
Practice with your sap , get training off the Utube and there are only a couple books on it and very little dojo type training other than an"add on" in some schools.
Unless I am fighting for keeps in a war like situation with no legal repercussion use a lead dust filled wide "beavertail " SAP , not a Jack or even an lead slug filled one ,a "lozenge" is what the cast slug is called. The lead dust filled wide surface area Beavertail greatly reduces the depressed fracture problem and properly used leaves little marking. An 8-9 .oz sap needs to be swung as hard as a fit person can to be viable defense. A 16 .0z beavertail is about optimum and effective, with moderate well aimed swings effectiveness begins at 12 .0z and any thing over about 25 .oz is too heavy , the LAPD and SAn Diego were still using a heavy "Gonzales" Sap until a few years ago. They weigh around 24 .oz and are effective and less deadly with moderate swings to other than head areas.
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lemaymiami
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Back in my era in service… by the 1990’s it was very clear that any head strikes would be considered deadly force in police work (that was probably long the case but I wasn’t paying attention since experience always indicated that was the case).
In a close quarters fight you’ll be us it any way it works though… I found, for me, other tactics much more useful… and less likely to get you fired or prosecuted…
In a close quarters fight you’ll be us it any way it works though… I found, for me, other tactics much more useful… and less likely to get you fired or prosecuted…
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Sadly, Nevada outlaws all impact weapons. I carried the Texan on duty and the brown, home made one, after I retired, but still lived I. Texas. This is part of my collection.
Dallas PD Texan Slapper. Four layers of leather. No spring.
Honolulu PD issue (1970’s) Buchmeier 16 Oz Blackjack. Ferocious impact. It would be easy to kill someone.
Denver sap. Buchmeier. Spring in handle.
Texan sap I made.
“Coin purse” I made. Full of dimes.
Saps are phenomenal impact weapons. Collar bones. Back of hand. Shoulder joint. And, if serious enough, straight up the midline under the chin.
From personal experience, slapping a derelict drunk across the sole of his foot will sober him up in short order.
Here? I carry a water bottle.
I dehydrate easily. It’s a “medical condition”.
Dallas PD Texan Slapper. Four layers of leather. No spring.
Honolulu PD issue (1970’s) Buchmeier 16 Oz Blackjack. Ferocious impact. It would be easy to kill someone.
Denver sap. Buchmeier. Spring in handle.
Texan sap I made.
“Coin purse” I made. Full of dimes.
Saps are phenomenal impact weapons. Collar bones. Back of hand. Shoulder joint. And, if serious enough, straight up the midline under the chin.
From personal experience, slapping a derelict drunk across the sole of his foot will sober him up in short order.
Here? I carry a water bottle.
I dehydrate easily. It’s a “medical condition”.
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