Sling or No for HD Shotgun?

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I was formerly of the opinion that one didn't need a carry system -wheter standard sling or 'tactical/ching sling' for a home defense shotgun because it can get in the way of movement. However, I have been shown reasons why a carry system can be useful for HD use, such as retention when transitioning to sidearm, frees extra hand for dialing 911, etc.

I'm starting to see more 'pros' than 'cons' although I'm still not convinced it needs to be a tactical system since I'm smooth enough with American and African carry transitions.

What do y'all think?
 
The only time I use a sling is on a long hike. They always seem to catch on things (branches, etc.) so I can imagine chairs and the such at home would only do the same.

But I could see where it might come in handy for the reason you mentioned.

Stinger
 
The sling on my HD shotgun carries 9 extra rounds, in case what's in the magazine doesn't get the job done. The sling and the buttstock carrier carry #00 buck, and slugs.
 
Unless it was a TACTICAL sling like an H&K design 3 point etc.(which I would find far too much of a mess to put on when waking up) I would not want one on a HD shotgun.

The liability potential of catching the sling on something far outweighs the benefits. I have found that having rounds on the sling makes this even worse it tends to make the sling swing and "pull" the shotgun, when trying to target the BG.

The best idea is to have a detachable sling that you can taken off the SG when in the HD role and re-attach for wandering through God's garden.

Regards,
HS/LD
 
If you sling it, keep the sling pretty tight. I prefer one, but I don't let it dangle so that it COULD catch on items, even though I can't imagine what it would catch on. My hunting guns never seem to "catch" on anything unless I'm hiking through dense scrub pines or brambles. Last I checked, there aren't any pine thickets in my living room. That said, I fully understand Murphy's Law when the adrenaline is up and the proverbial S is hitting the F. Still, I like the option of using both hands for other chores while retaining my weapon. Sling it tight.
 
IMO, HD shotguns should not have slings on them, for the reasons given. Snagging,especially.

And as for transiting to sidearm in my home, I'll use a Gravity Transit and just drop the thing.

But,HD shotguns should be sling capable. Out of the six shotguns here, the only ones that do not have studs are the 870TB trap gun and Son's little NEF single.That last can be slung, light as it is, from a piece of trotline.

HD shotguns double as CD shotguns, and may need to be slung. A sling's near my "Serious" shotguns and another's on the "Panic Box". Other long arms here not intended as first line HD tools have them on already.

And Col Mustard, a few fast COFs with that ammo on your sling will have you rethinking its utility. Trust me...
 
I'm just curious as to where all these potential hangups might be. Now, if it were an unfamiliar house, I might be worried about hanging up on something. In my house, with the sling relatively tight, it just isn't enough of a concern to give up the ability to take both hands off the gun and retain the weapon.
 
IMNSHO, a sling adds nothing - for the way I use a rifle or shotgun.

But, my long guns do have the quick detachable mounts so I can sling (later) if I choose to do so.

Nice for freeing hands when walking out after the deed is done.

I cannot imagine any use for a sling for anything HD-wise. Worst case, I grab the 25 round bandoleer. Along with the 7+1 already ....

YMMV
 
SLING. If I have to worry about being caught up in something around my house while Im toting my shotgun, I have no business owning a shotgun. I may as well worry about my boot laces. :uhoh:
 
In the service I trained for HR and CT work. In my training, when entering a building through the door (the closest situation to clearing/defending your own home) it was vitally important to have all your equipment, most important of which is your weapon, as snag free as possible.
Although I never used the shotgun specifically, I used an MP5 others the Steyr AUG and the M4. There was NEVER a field sling on any weapon.

I am sitting here (drinking beer) with a US Marine that completed urban combat training / room clearing (SOP now for Marines) and also agrees that there is no way a field sling would be / should be used in the confined spaces that occur in building interiors, especially on a LONG gun such as an 18" SG.

I field sling should NOT be used inside a house!

Unless you have an H&K type three point (modified) sling, remove it for your HD SG.

Even if I had a 3 point I am pretty sure I would leave it off as even with training leaping out of bed butt naked and trying to stick my head through the right loop seems like an unnecessarily complicated procedure.

Just MHO (and 5-6 beers talking, another 5-6 and its time to start teaching this Jar Head how to shoot).:D

Regards,
HS/LD
 
As has been mentioned, the sling can be very useful on any shoulder arm that is to be used defensively. It 's the equivaent of a holster for your shotgun, etc. I really like having the ability to get the weapon out of my hands should I need them free, while still retaining control over it - rather than leaving it on the ground or the floor.

As for the sling hanging up on doors, furniture, etc. When you mount the shotgun hook the sling with the pinkie of your support hand. You'll to practice this, so that you have enough slack to run the action. Doing this should defeat the tendency to have hang so low that it catches.


I'm with you Erick 100%.
 
The idea of hooking your pinkie through anything when you are in a situation where you could be required to shoot at human beings and have the potential of being shot at... doesn’t make much sense. :confused:

That dog don't hunt.

Remember your training (if you have not had any, make that the first priority on the list) motor skills deteriorate...

Eric acknowledges that there IS the potential for a hazard with the sling by advocating the “Gelhaus pinkie techniqueâ€.
As for the sling hanging up on doors, furniture, etc. When you mount the shotgun hook the sling with the pinkie of your support hand. You'll to practice this, so that you have enough slack to run the action. Doing this should defeat the tendency to have hang so low that it catches.

Now that we agree there is a potential for the sling to hang up disastrously… The simple act of opening a door (on the way to collect your children) will necessitate dropping the sling from your pinkie. Try then to re-acquire the sling with your pinkie in the dark while someone or something rushes/attacks/throws/shoots something at you...

Eric alludes that the sling is to the shotgun as the holster is to the pistol.

It 's the equivalent of a holster for your shotgun...

I couldn’t agree more.

However, let me ask a question. If you were going to use your pistol as primary in a home defense situation would you first strap on your holster? The holster for you pistol would be of absolutely no concern, and no benefit, because the pistol would be in your hand leaving the holster (making the holster therefore completely redundant) the instant a threat is detected.

The field sling to the long arm is like the holster to the pistol when in the field. Allowing one to keep the SG comfortably close at all times.

Unless you are going to walk around your house with the SG slung over your shoulder all the time a field sling is more of a potential hazard than a benefit.

The argument that it would aid in retention when transitioning to another weapon in the “in house fresh out of bed scenario†is also IMHO suspect. In the home defense scenario if you have strapped on a pistol and you have run the SG dry or it has become inoperable dumping the weapon would be advisable as you transition to the handgun. Transitioning to a hand-to-hand situation it would be, in the home defense scenario, advisable NOT to sling the SG and rather use it as an impact weapon. If the H2H is so close that grappling will occur the SG dumped across the chest, over the shoulder can become a huge disadvantage.

I would be interested in hearing about a reputable firearms trainer advocates the use of a field sling in the "in house" home defense scenario discussed here.

(All if the above rant does not apply to the TACTICAL type 3 point H&K style slings. Which allow the weapon to be fired WHILE the weapon is slung and are designed for exactly this situation).

Regards and with respect for everyone’s opinion,
HS/LD
 
I understand that well. Your description was clear.

Just try that while I am shooting at you.:D

It would be much easier to "do away with the dangling sling" by leaving it off.

Regards,
HS/LD
 
I to don't believe in a sling for home defence shotgun but more for the reason as I don't see a need to use a sling in the house. I see people listing pleanty or reasons why it most likely would not be a problem but I have yet to see why it would be listed as useful other than having ammo availible. I don't keep ammo on my slings for the reasons listed above and I don't keep ammo in a side saddle. My logic being if I empty my shotgun with eight rounds I will transition to my handgun. I know I am removing my ability to reload tactically but I hardly evision expending eight rounds to begin with and if I do it will probally be so rapid that I should be transitioning and bring ready right away as opposed to taking the time to reload.
 
ajacobs
Regarding the sling Exactly!

Although regarding the ammo...

I remember in Sim training not taking all the 5 extra mags for my MP5 when entering a kill house (I was too lazy to load them all with the sim rounds :) ) The briefing regarding targets was all wrong and I ended up pinned behind cover with 6 rounds left in a select fire MP5 and three hostiles..... I had to transition to a high power I had only 2 mags for...

Those sim round hurt like hell when your barracks buddies realise you ran dry and three of them decide to hose you down. :D

It is true you can never have too much ammo.... but you can have too little...

I like the idea of 14 rounds on my SG rather than 8. :D

HS/LD
 
I don't have slings, or holsters, on any of my home-defense firearms. I'm not going to try to take an intruder into custody, I'm just going to keep them covered until the police show up. If the intruder runs away from me and out of my apartment I'm not going to follow, so I don't need a sling.
 
The place where I train is adamant about having a sling on your shotgun. They can show you every advantage in the world to having one on. Its great for retention, transitions, bringing the gun into ready, etc. etc. etc.

But it just doesn't work for me. I've tried it time and again. Maybe I'm just a klutz, but I tend to get it tangled on ME. Or it doesn't hang right, blah, blah, blah.

Do what works for you. Try it. If it works, GREAT. If it doesn't...skip it. No big deal.
 
HS/LD- With training, taking up the slack in your sling is like second nature. It becomes part of your muscle memory- When you shoulder your gun, you automatically take up the slack in your sling as Erick described. It will become part of the shouldering process, even if you're shooting at me. Mr. Gelhaus has a very respectable amount of training under his belt, thusly I greatly value his opinions. And on this matter, I'm inclined to agree with him. Ever been to Thunder Ranch? If you haven't, go without a sling on your shotgun and see what Clint says to you ;)

Just out of curiousity, where did you do your sim training? Eventually I want to go to a school that does that in the advanced classes.
 
Daniel,

I completed the bulk of my firearms training in the military, New Zealand Army.

In the field on patrol I would have a field or Tac Sling, on an entry team I would have a tactical sling only.
But not on the gun I grab when I wake up in my house these are different scenarios.

Muscle memory :scrutiny: is of course possible the problem is you are further complicating an already complicated scenario.

What is the benefit of the field sling on a SG for "inside the house"?????

To dump it over your shoulder while transitioning to a sidearm? If you have the time to strap on a side arm and get the SG wouldn't it be better to have a TAC sling and make the transition faster and easier. I agree a TACTICAL sling would be, as I have stated previously, an advantage.

As my SG sits beside my bed I will be grabbing it upon being awakened in the night.... in this sit a field sling offers no real benefit but a huge potential liability.

This really will boil down to personal preference but try this....

Tell me of a well trained unit LE or MIL that run room sweeps with field slings.

We didn't in NZ nor Australia nor the Brits and my friend here says its a no no for the USMC too.

Regards,
HS/LD
 
HS/LD-

Muscle memory is retained relatively well even under situations of stress. For example, if you were under some sort of extreme stress could you still stick a fork in your mouth? I would guess that you could. Do you use sights? Are you complicating the scenario if you do?

You're also making the assumption that I don't already have my sidearm on. HD shotguns are not ALWAYS used when awakened in the middle of the night.

You're also making the assumption that slings are only useful for transition drills. My personal method of doing a hasty transition is to just hold the gun in my left hand (muzzle down, butt up), then draw and fire with just my strong hand. The sling (field or tactical) is great for getting both hands free to do something else. This could be something as simple as picking up someone who has been hit.

Another thing is why would I care what the military uses for room clearing drills? If you're in your house doing room clearing drills because you heard a bump in the night you must have a death wish. Clearing alone, or even with two people, is a dangerous thing.
 
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