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Small frame revolver question.

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I am in the market for a small frame 38 or 357 revolver. I mostly want it as a carry gun but also for target shooting. I do not want a double action only revolver. Price is an issue though not a huge one. From what i am seeing from s&w their new stuff is a bit on the high side for me. Anyone know of any super deals to be had on a new one? If not i will just keep my eyes open at swap meets and such.
 
I have seen a .38 airweight with the hammer for $450, not a bad price. It was a very nice gun I might get it, just keep your eyes peeled for deals, check out some shooting ranges, local gun shops, or any gun shop you pass by. good luck:D
 
I see classic S&W 36 or 60 models for $325 to $425 routinely. Much better value than the new ones. These are the pre-lock, 2" round butt variants that pack well.

I mostly want it as a carry gun but also for target shooting.

Which is why I say 36 or 60 - all steel and exposed hammer. Steel adds stability for plinking, and the exposed hammer is nice for sa or da shooting. With the stock grips and a $25 Tyler grip adapter, the 2" 36/60 is not MUCH harder to shoot than a stock 4" model 10. It's not as accurate by far, but it's not wholly unpleasant to shoot like many other small snubbies. It's no target gun, but there's hardly a better cc gun on the planet.
 
im not sure where you guys are finding smiths for those prices

Locally, and on gun forum classifieds. Ones at shops and gun shows tend to be overpriced and they just wait for a "sucker" to come in and buy. I actually passed on an excellent/near-mint 36 '80s vintage last month for $350. I did buy one in-state last fall for $325; it had languished for months on our (popular and well-viewed) regional gun forum unsold. I finally had to give it a home. You have to hunt and do the leg work, but the fairly priced ones are out there, and they are the ones that sell instead of sitting unsold with high price tags.
 
Generally, a lite weight/short barrel carry gun is desired to insure you will actually carry the thing. A good plinker is generally longer barreled and made of steel. These are divergent requirements. A compromise is generally unsatisfactory. If one 'type' should be bought first, I would suggest it be the one that protects your bacon.

A great example of a ccw is the S&W 442 (black) or 642 (silver). Aluminum framed, steel 1 7/8" barrel, steel cylinder, enclosed hammer (Nothing to snag on a pocket or bag/purse when presenting.), and +P .38 Special rated - and some nearly sixty years of production since it's earliest form - make it a classic. Recent and decent used examples command $300-$375 prices, while many decent sources offer it ~$450 new. Robert Mika makes a quite decent pocket holster for it - I carry one so holstered 24/7.

A great plinker can be had for $275-$400+ used. The common security guard revolver, a S&W 4" 10 or it's SS sibling, the 4" 64, can be found, often at pawn shops. At least one mail order dealer, J&G, offers a selection of such, albeit in double action only form, for <$300. You can shoot the cheapest .38 Special reloads as plinkers - and load it with decent +P defensive loads for home, camping, or car protection from 2-legged predators.

Now, if money were no object on your plinker, consider the S&W 620 or 627 Pro. These are medium-large framed 4" .357 Magnums, which will shoot mild .38s and regular .357 Magnums. The 620 loads 7 at a time, the larger 627 Pro takes 8 - in a moonclip, if desired. Both have adjustable rear sights while the 627 Pro has a no-tools changeable front sight. I would stay with the 442/642 as a CCW. I hope these suggestions help.

Stainz
 
For all the reasons given above, I'm leaning toward the S&W 638, or similar in this series. That's SA/DA, and the "humpback" design lets you get up real high on the backstrap, and you have the option of a precision shot. Rated for +P you can fire a brisk round with it, it conceals easy, is light, and is totally reliable no matter what.

At 16 oz, compare with Ruger's SP101 series, which start 10 oz heavier and go up from there.
 
First choice......RUGER SP101! It's the best small frame .357 that exists, period, case closed. Stay away from the auto lock J frames. A pre-lock used one, maybe, if you come across one.

Second choice.....Taurus small frame of your choice, in my experience good quality and very accurate.

Third choice, Rossi 971. I had one, shot very well, wasn't a bad gun, but I had issues with the firing pin that I had to get a local smith to fix. This was an old Interarms one, but I don't think Rossi has ever addressed that issue to any satisfaction cause I still hear about the problem occasionally. I've had several Rossi .38s that never gave me a problem, so it's not like every one is going to snap a firing pin, but it happens often enough to make me spend a little more on a gun. Still, they go for around 300 bucks at Academy.

The SP101 will out-last ANY other small frame .357, much stronger design, and only a few ounces heavier than other steel frame gun. Trust me, you don't want anything, but a steel frame gun unless you're masochistic. You can get one for under 500 bucks new in box from a gun shop. Look around and you can get a new one in the 450 range.
 
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I must add, for pocket carry, I much prefer a subcompact 9 like my 11 shot Kel Tec P11, 14 ounces, fires a 115 grain JHP at 1263 fps/410 ft lbs, easily managed recoil, none of the massive flash/bang of the 2" .357s. Far more effective gun in actual use. Most .357 loads in 2" guns, light weight loads (125 grain) are in the 400 ft lb range. Another inch of barrel gives them superior grunt, but takes 'em out of the realm of the pocket. And, I get 3.5" groups benched at 25 yards with that P11, like having a service gun in your pocket, small enough to hide there, big enough to shoot well.

If you got an SP101, I'd suggest, too, that at 28 ounces, the 3" barrel isn't any tougher to carry IWB than the 2" at 27 ounces. That compares to the 2" J frames at around 25 ounces. The 3" barrel will give you better sight radius for the targets and is better for getting on target quick when you really need it and it will squeeze more punch out of the .357 with a bit less flash/bang.
 
I just bought a model 637-2 Airweight.

It is not a target gun by any means but it is plenty accurate for what I want it for which is a BUG. It is light weight and rated for plus P ammo. Even with the uncle Mike's boot grips, it is not uncomfortable to shoot. I just recently sold a model 36 and kind of regretted doing it. I like this gun better. I bought a Desantis ankle holster for it yesterday and they are both on my ankle as I type this. I will probably right a review of the holster after wearing it for a week or two. I am on my feet all day and I am really hoping it works out.
 
Mmmm, I see the OP says .38 OR .357 and I read it .38/.357. Well, if .38s are in play, I see why everyone is talking airweights. :D I just think if I had a 12 ounce .357, it would only see .38s. I've fired one once, was nasty.

This is my .38, M85SSUL Taurus. It's very accurate. I've been shooting this thing for 14 years. It's got several thousand rounds through it. Don't shoot it every range trip, but I shot it a lot when it was newer.

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For target shooting and CCW...

you might want to look at a 3" barrel used Taurus model 85 or S&W model 36. They are easy to carry IWB or for Pocket carry a S&W airweight in a 3" barrel with an external hammer.
 
IMO target shooting and carry would point me in two separate directions when looking at revolvers. Target Shooting would be a nice K or L frame with a minimum 4" barrel where carry is a J Frame snubnose. Going with one that suits both desires will leave you lacking in both areas. Also - you will hate the hammer on a carry piece (speaking from experience). The 638 or comparable would be the best bet. You can still cock the hammer (although not that easily) and it won't get snagged. Ruger SP 101 3" would be a good bet also.
 
Another vote for a 3" Ruger SP101. Honestly it meets all your criteria.

-Small enough to carry. check
-Double action/Single action. check
-Good at the range. check (i can get 1" groups at around 12 yard with mine when I do my part)
-East on the wallet. check (especially when compared to a new S&W)

Doesn't hurt that they're easy one the eyes too..... Here's mine:

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A Smith model 60 would also do the trick though
 
i do like the rugers, my big gripe is how heavy the double action revolvers ive handled are compared to similar pistols from other manufacturers. I suppose that does help with recoil and i would get used to it, but it just bugs me.
 
In .357 magnum, the extra weight of the steel framed guns is well worth it and the SP101 is the cream of the crop. I can handle +P .38 just fine in an alloy gun and that's what I pocket carry. The SP101 is a belt gun. .38 special is a fine defensive caliber and I really don't get chills over the .357, but do have a few options in the caliber. The .38 gets the most carry, though.

JMHO, though. YMMV and probably does.
 
Please don't waste your time or money on a taurus! SP101 is a great choice for what you are looking for. The S&W's are nice because they are lighter, but try shooting them with some +p's or +p+'s with the exposed backstap and I think you will regret it. Like it was said before the weight of the SP really does help with the recoil of .357's. A good set of grips, ie badger custom grips, will aid in the recoil reduction as well. As far as carrying the extra weight a good belt and holster combo and you will forget it is even there. I'll join the crowd and post a pic of my SP (modified)
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I carry my SP101 with a 2 1/4" BBL IWB, OWB or in the pocket with a Simply Rugged pocket protector. At 24 OZ I don't find it a burden to carry in any of those scenerios.
 
Mark at Summit Guns had a bunch of J-Frames and Colt snubby's for sale. I picked up a Model 37 flat latch for $280 a couple of weeks ago from him.
 
I support the idea to get the model 638.

+1

I got mine NIB w/ CT Lasergrips for under $700 (this was a while back though, not sure what current prices look like). It's a great shooter out to 10-15 yards, and comfortable to carry any which way I want.

If I had it to do over again, I'd get the 2 1/2" barrel. Other than that, it's perfect.

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