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Smith & Wesson Settles Lawsuit
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Friday, April 29, 2005
WICHITA, Kan. - The family of a boy left brain-damaged after he was shot in the face by a friend seven years ago has settled a lawsuit against gunmaker Smith & Wesson.

Neither side would discuss the specific terms of the deal announced Wednesday. But the victim's mother said the family would now be able to meet the boy's extensive medical costs.
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Royce Ryan was 8 when a 15-year-old friend shot him with a semiautomatic pistol below the left eye, leaving him with permanent disabilities and brain damage.
Lawyers for the victim's family say the older friend thought the pistol, which he had taken from his parents' dresser, was unloaded.

The victim's family claimed the shooting could have been avoided if Smith & Wesson's Model 915 weapon had been childproofed and had been designed to show whether it was loaded.

"We can't prevent Royce's injuries but hope this settlement will help make gun companies childproof guns and prevent other children from being injured," said the mother, Lori Ryan.

Smith & Wesson said the shooting was the gun owner's fault. Ann Makkiya, an attorney for the Springfield, Mass.-based gunmaker, said in a statement: "This handgun was sold with a lock that would have prevented this shooting, if used."

She said the settlement "was dictated by economic and business realities."

The boy's friend, Jared McMunn, was convicted of aggravated battery and possession of a firearm in July 1998, according to juvenile court records.
 
Unfortunately the way our civil courts systems are now with the sue happy era (partly due to contingency fees), it is usually cheaper to settle out of court than to pay legal fees to fight it even if you are 100% right. The problem isnt just with guns but with business in general.
 
This articles says that among the allegations is that the magazine disconnect safety did not work. If this is correct, then the pistol was defective and Smith & Wesson was right to settle, rather than take a hit by the jury. Remember, this was a products liability suit. Would love to know if the pistol was tested to see if, indeed, the magazine disconnect was defective.


Sorry about the format below, I cut and paste from a pdf.

Mods, can you suggest a way to de-goofify this?

Philadelphia WEEKLY
The story echoes countless others in the “accidental-shooting†file. A kid finds a gun in his parents’ bedroom and shows it off to some friends. Thinking it’s unloaded because the magazine has been removed, he points it at one
of them and pulls the trigger. He expects nothing to happen because he doesn’t notice the bullet sitting in the chamber. Death or grave injury results. So does public outcry from those who see it as yet more evidence that guns
are evil. The Second Amendmentset responds that while such accidents
are tragic, guns are safe when used properly and kept away from children.

From there, the incident fades into memory—except for victims on both sides of the trigger left to live with the repercussions—until the next one. It’s in that last step that the case of Royce Ryan differs. Eight years old when a friend in his Wichita, Kan., neighborhood accidentally shot him through the
head in April 1998, his life’s never been the same. Lucky to have survived, Ryan would go blind if his mother didn’t put drops into his left eye every two hours, every single day. That’s just the way it is when nerve damage makes it impossible for that eye to close.

He suffered some hearing, speech and memory loss while brain damage ushered in behavioral and psychological problems. That’s just the reality of life after surviving a gunshot to the head. But rather than disappearing into years of surgery and rehabilitation, the seventh-grader’s fight will soon
take a very public turn. His family’s lawsuit against gun maker Smith and Wesson, a Pennsylvania gun shop and the shooter’s mother is scheduled to
hit a Philadelphia courtroom late next year. And that, attorneys involved
in the case predict, will attract yet more national attention to an issue that never seems to go away.

Like the incident itself, the issues in this product- liability suit aren’t unique.
Ryan’s family contends the gun was defective because a device designed to prevent firing after a magazine is removed didn’t work. The Smith and Wesson model 915 9mm semi-automatic pistol didn’t have a “load indicator device,†which would have shown the weapon was loaded, they say. The suit also holds Eagle Arms Sports Shop, an Allentown area gun shop, liable for not providing safety manuals and directions to the shooter’s father when he purchased the weapon there several years back.

Ryan’s attorneys in Philadelphia and Kansas, and from a national public- interest law firm in California, maintain the youth wouldn’t have been shot had those safety measures been in place. They’re seeking undisclosed damages. Should they win, they’ll buck a long-running trend in which gun
makers and distributors have regularly—and successfully—argued guns can’t be considered defective for doing what they’re legally produced to do.

Today at least one other pending case makes the same argument. In Berkeley, Calif., the parents of a 15-year-old who was shot and killed by a friend under nearly identical circumstances brought suit against the Beretta USA Corp. seven years ago. In 1998 a jury sided with Beretta in determining the gun wasn’t defective, but charges of jury misconduct landed it back on
a docket this year. Reacting to that case, gun proponents openly blamed the shooter’s family for the death. (The families settled out-of courtfor $100,000.)
Keep and Bear Arms, a selfproclaimed “gun owners’ home page,†said the shooter’s family “left a loaded gun where an untrained, impulsive and
judgmentally challenged adolescent could find it.â€

Though representatives at Smith and Wesson’s headquarters in Massachusetts and at their Market Street office in Center City both declined comment, their attorney says similar charges will surface when the trial approaches. Pittsburgh attorney Clem Trischler argues that the issue isn’t one of design, but of a gun owner failing to lock a weapon away from a child.
“The owner [the shooter’s father] said he wouldn’t have cared if he had 10 gun locks. He still wouldn’t have used them,†Trischler says. Referring to depositions already given in the case, Trischler maintains the shooter’s father was given that common gun-safety device when he purchased the weapon.
“This is a case about user responsibility. While we feel sympathy for the family, Smith and Wesson is in no way responsible for Royce Ryan’s injuries,†he adds.

Victoria Ni, a staff attorney for Trial Lawyers for Public Justice, concedes shooter Jared McMunn’s mother was negligent for not warning anyone about her son’s “propensity to perhaps play with guns†when he went to live with his father in Kansas shortly before the shooting. That being said, Ni still maintains the ultimate responsibility lies with gun makers. The argument that guns are designed to kill and maim is “a loophole for an extremely dangerous
product,†she says. “All we’re trying to do is hold them accountable for their product, like any other company would be.†What’s unusual about the case
is that a Kansas shooting will be heard nearly 1,400 miles away in a Philadelphia courtroom. Ni, whose firm signed onto the case last month, says they brought it here because the gun was purchased in the region, and the shop could’ve done business with customers from the city.

When Kansas attorney Robert Pottroff—he’s leading the case and now taking depositions from the shooter, the shooter’s father and officials from Smith and Wesson—needed local counsel, he contacted Robert Mongeluzzi, president-elect of the Philadelphia Trial Lawyers Association, who agreed to sign on. It probably wasn’t a bad choice. Attorneys from Mongeluzzi’s firm handled a 1989 case in which a jury awarded $11.3 million to an Olney woman who was ccidentallyshot in the head under similar circumstances when she was 14 years old. (There, the gun shop was held liable for not including written instructions when it sold a gun to the victim’s neighbor.) Mongeluzzi, who won an undisclosed sum for the family of an 18-year-old who died during a gene-therapy experiment at the University of Pennsylvania’s teaching hospital and is currently working on the Pier 34 case, says Philadelphia’s an ideal venue. And it’s not because of the reputation that local juries often grant large awards in civil cases. “Clearly, it’s the city in the area most affected by this product,†he says. “There’s a significant societal interest in gunshot litigation here.â€

That interest already put Philadelphia on the gun maker-lawsuit forefront. Former Mayor Ed Rendell’s idea to sue gun makers for shooting-related expenses launched a wave of suits filed by cities across the country in recent
years—though a U.S. District Court dismissed Philadelphia’s two years ago.
The Ryan case could now become the highest-profile lawsuit challenging Smith and Wesson, the nation’s largest gun manufacturer, since a 2000 settlement with the federal government in which the company promised to put locking devices on all guns to prevent those shootings. And if Mongeluzzi’s prediction holds true, the Ryan case will be the first of many.
“With the power, clout and money the NRA [National Rifle Association] has, we’ll never legislate safe guns. It’ll only happen through juries,†says Mongeluzzi, maintaining the case isn’t about banning guns. “Gun makers are bottom-line creatures. Make it more expensive for them to not make guns safer, and they’ll do it. They have to answer for what they could’ve done
but didn’t do,†he continues. “Whether we win or lose, it’s only the first wave. We’re going to keep coming at them until they do what’s right.â€
 
Irrelevant assertion

"The Smith and Wesson model 915 9mm semi-automatic pistol didn’t have a “load indicator device,†which would have shown the weapon was loaded, they say."

What "they say" is utter nonsense. Anyone so stupid as to point:

1. Take a gun and not check the chamber;

2. Point that unchecked gun at someone; and

3. PULL THE TRIGGER;

Is TSTL - Too Stupid To Live!

And certainly too stupid/irresponsible/reckless to heed a loaded chamber indicator.

The ONLY legitimate liability to S&W would come from a failed mazazine disconnect, IF such were the case.

The bottom line is that, given a choice between the victim of a cretin and the manufacturer (especially a GUN manufacturer), the jury will go for the victim on the theory that he needs care and the manufacturer has money; the moron who shot him does not.

Justice? Highly debatable?

Reality? Yes.
 
Overall - and leaving aside any ''supposed'' lack of gun's mechanical safety function ....... two things apply that always should - leaving culpability firmly out of the manufacturer's court.

Either - a gun was inadequately secured - parent culpability, seeing as used by a jr.

And - rules #1 and #2 ...... ''older child thought it was unloaded''!! Lack of firearms education.

Neither of those would seem to be a fault of S&W. No one but no one, should ever place reliance on any ''safety'' device. And all folks should be taught as much - along with the four rules.

I guess settlement was less costly than further fighting of the case - which I would have thought was winnable.
 
S&W's problem here is that their semi-auto pistols (with the exception of their 1911 clones) do contain a magazine disconnect, which is supposed to prevent the gun firing if the magazine is removed. If this was defective, or had been removed by a previous owner of the gun (without the present owner knowing about it), they're likely to end up being found guilty by a jury that isn't firearms-savvy. I think they settled because they knew this, and felt it would be cheaper than trusting such a jury not to bankrupt them with a huge settlement.

I agree that the "loaded chamber indicator" argument is a non-starter, but nevertheless, the defective or missing magazine disconnect on its own would be enough for most juries to convict.
 
Another reason for all of us to pull jury duty if/when we can. Maybe we can help to stop some of this if the hardworking people in the country start pulling jury duty vs. the people who now do.

Sorry, I know that's a bit off topic. However, I think it might be the only way we can fix this stupidity.

I hate to see the gun companies cave in (still pissed at bushmaster). However, I know that it's a business decision at times and they have to keep the doors open.
 
I used to have a 915, I sure don't remember a magazine disconnect. Someone with a 915 plese check this.
My question, as well. Does anyone know? I'm not into S&W semi-autos so I don't have a clue, but I'd guess that I've handled more semi-autos that DON'T have a magazine disconnect than models that do. If the model wasn't designed with one, then it ain't defective if it (that isn't there) doesn't work.
 
From what I read that firearm in question had a magazine safety that didn't work. If true S&W is guilty as charged as the product was defective. Solution, don't put a magazine safety on a firearm. It's called lock them up if you have children.
 
i propose Stupidity Locks.

devices that clamp down on arms so they cant be raised, fingers so that they cannot grasp, legs so they cannot walk, and heads so they cannot move.

can you imagine how many hundreds of thousands (or maybe even millions!) of childrens lives that could be saved if they could not move a muscle until they were 18??!!

and consider the unintended consequences: no more teen pregnancys!

geez, i'm such a freakin genius. can i get an Amen?
 
while I can't speak to a 915

I can say that, AFAIK, all S&W third-generation semiautos (of which the 915 is one) have a magazine safety disconnect. I own a 1076(?) - 10mm SA and a 4069. Both have the disconnects, and they work.
 
I swear, gun companies should require an IQ test be on file before allowing their products to be sold to consumers. Of course, then the ACLU would get involved claiming the new policy discriminates against stupid people.
 
Thats the big downside to including unneeded safety 'features' to pistols. If they dont work its a failure of the product and you become liable, regardless of how irresponsible the actions of the 'victim'. By including a magazine safety you are guaranteeing that your pistol won't fire without a magazine being inserted, if it does then its your fault. You are essentially absolving the end-user of having an obligation for their own safety. Had the pistol never been fitted with a magazine disconect then it would have been a simple case of death by stupidity, instead its a legitimate product liability case which S&W could quite possibly have lost, hence the settlement.
 
Actually, since they mention "loaded chamber indicator" as possibly stopping the shooting, I'm betting they were going on the lack of such 'features' for the success of the suit. Remember the lawsuit involving the kid and his babysitter?

I'd hand around a selection of firearms with loaded chamber indicators, some with the inicators set through the use of snap caps. I'd let the jury have 3 seconds each to decide if the weapon was loaded or not. It's not like you have a big LCD screen stating "LOADED!" LC indicators are only useful for people familiar with that particular gun, though somebody highly familiar with firearms in general would probably be able to figure it out.

I guess settlement was less costly than further fighting of the case - which I would have thought was winnable.
The problem is, and this was found out by other retailers last decade, is that if you set the precident of being willing to settle, that you'll be sued by everybody based on that precedent. IE you'll be seen as a cash cow.

My mother knows of a man who lived (and supported his lawyer), by being excessivly offended by various things, threatening to sue for 'false advertising' (he'd deliberatly wait until they ran out). He knew how much to settle for to make it cheaper to settle than to take it to court. The beancounters would settle, and he'd move on to the next company. Thing is, if most of them would have fought it, they guy would of had to find a different line of work other than blood-sucker.
 
The victim's family claimed the shooting could have been avoided if Smith & Wesson's Model 915 weapon had been childproofed and had been designed to show whether it was loaded.
A kid who doesn't have the brains not to point a gun at a friend and pull the trigger, doesn't have the brains to pay attention to a "loaded chamber indicator" either.

Man these lawsuits piss me off. :mad: I really wish that protection for the gun industry had passed.
 
I am not one of those blame the gun manufacturer for settling when it costs less than to carry it all the way through types. If it is cheaper to settle rather than carry it all the way through, settle! The money you save helps keep you in business and reduces the amount the lawyers get. In the Bushmaster case a while back, the settlement kept all of the money from going to the lawyers. Do you think lawyers are going to keep taking these cases if there is no money to be made?

And with that, we need to get the lawsuit bill through our federal government. That is where we will really win this. Not by punishing or blaming Smith & Wesson.

I do like the point that if you don't have all of these redundant safety features on guns, you would be less likely be sued for them failing. If my Glock goes off, it is because I pulled the trigger. Can't blame it on the safety, loaded chamber indicator, or magazine disconnect.
 
I swear, gun companies should require an IQ test be on file before allowing their products to be sold to consumers.

Bad idea; because ...

Of course, then the ACLU would get involved claiming the new policy discriminates against stupid people.

Which would lead to nobody being allowed to buy the products.

Also bad because it is counter to the Second Amendment. Who are you going to put in charge to decide who is "qualified" to own a firearm ? It'll be like the states that have concealed carry, but not "shall issue" concealed carry: only the buddies of those in power will have guns.
 
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