Smith and Wesson M&P 9mm Problem

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No it wasn't

Ermac,

Just because they were 'nice' doesn't mean you got good customer service. In fact, from the sounds of it the technician who addressed your concerns completely and totally failed to address your concerns, didn't apply any QA to your gun, and frankly didn't care. I've got a number of S&W revolvers and have had generally good experiences but your experience is atrocious.

I know you offloaded the gun, but please take the time to send them a report on this. Whomever the sub standard oxygen thief masquerading as a gunsmith was that allegedly addressed your customer concerns needs another line of work.

My few pieces of eight.
 
Actually, now that I think about it, you are right.
I bought a new pistol and it didn't work..sent it back, and its even more fubar'd than before.

I thought s&w was really trying to roll these things out and make them work well...enough even to be a competitor to Glock?

Another example - my dad's work buddy bought one and had problems too...his roll pins kept backing out of the slide, it fte numersouly, and the striker broke. I don't know what he did, but he doesn't have it anymore.

Plus, look at the start of this thread...it took a decent amount of time to get it back too.
 
Was that one also a 9mm? I'm keenly interested in these problems.

It seems like the 9s are having problems the 40s are not. Could they be rushing the 9 into service before it is ready? I've heard of a few such problems...nothing consistent, just odd little problems, the type of thing that makes one think of assembly errors or improper fitting, as opposed to a crappy design.

I hope it is just some teething errors, and the S&W is fixing it.

Mike
 
I hope it is just some teething errors, and the S&W is fixing it.
When people go to the "hope" card, it's a lost cause.

This is a good opportunity to remind people how bad american manufacturers are. I've been following this for decades, originally to TRACK the disappearance of american manufacturing.

To put it simply, americans on the whole just don't care. They don't care about designing a quality product, assembling a quality product, preventing the need for massive amounts of customer service, and needless to say, americans (ESPECIALLY overpaid, fabulous health care benefits management) don't care about PROVIDING acceptable customer service.

Americans on the whole, as part of our culture care about $$$ and convenience, and not about getting things RIGHT (let alone right the first time). Since americans generally have an f-u attitude towards a "complainer" instead of THE ACTUAL PROBLEM (just watch how bush supporters treat those who didn't vote for bush or those who have had it with bush), most american companies establish awful customer service and a high maintenance product (gee the AR15 comes to mind).

In my early 20s I worked at a factory that made a whole line of electronic products for guitarists. I began to be able to explain why american made products had CERTAIN problems that Japanese/Chinese products just didn't. There were several products we made that the company had made for many years, and the quality was fairly reliable on THOSE.

HOWEVER, when a new product was being designed, tested, in the 1st production run, or even in the first YEAR, LOOK OUT!!!!!!!!!! I'm not talking about human error here. Most americans flat out DON'T CARE and even worse, refuse to work together (I'm not advocating groupthink either because that's not a solution). Everybody's trying to move up the ladder and protect their turf, and/or constantly looking forward to lunch/the end of the day/vacation/holidays etc. One time our PLANT MANAGER released a new circuit board for a new new product into production before adequate testing. We got TONS of overtime upgrading the MISdesigned circuit board, which we were forced to do in shoddy ways. One time a run of mis labeled chassis were KNOWINGLY allowed into production. A month later customers had sent piles of them back to us, and we had to fix this error the HARD way instead of when we noticed it BEFORE final assembly.

Buying a first run product from ANY manufacturer is begging for problems, but buying a first run product from an american manufacturer (that makes it in america) is throwing your $$$ away.

Since almost nothing I buy is made in america, and I haven't worked at that factory in about a decade, I forgot about the things that S&W and this thread just reminded me of. My conscious mind tells me to be surprised at S&W's failure to properly TEST the new product, but my experience says typical typical typical.
 
100 wally wb - 6 failures to extract and 9 shell casings got stuck in chamber
100 remington hollow point (green and white box) - 4 shells stuck in chamber
50 rounds pmc - 3 failures to extract, 2 cases got stuck in chamber

Also, the barrel showed HEAVY peening and the slide rails somehow filed down as well - it was very "rough sounding" when racking the slide. Also, on the side of the barrel near the lower right corner of the feedramp, there were pieces of metal kinda chipped off.

How'd you get 6 FTEs, but 9 stuck shell casings?

What do you mean by filed down? The rails for the M&P are deliberately not square. They have slight curves to them. This is in theory to allow for lockup against very specific points or to give fouling a place to go depending on which S&W person you ask. What i ahve found is that powder residue gets in there and absorbs whatever lube you ahve put in place. Doesn't cause the gun to malfunction, but it does make it all gritty sounding when you ahve shot a bunch of dirty ammo through it.

Wish you had pics of the "chips" and the peening, it'd be interesting to see what you are talking about.

Myself, i'm having no issues with my .40 beyond the striker breaking initially after a LOT of dryfire. They fixed it and sent it back with a spare. I've been dry-firing it during practice, and it seems to be holding up just fine this time aorund.

As for pissing and moaning about american manufacture. I can point out to design changes in guns put out from glock, XD, IMI, EAA, Beretta, etc. That have had to do with design issues. growing pains aren't exclusive to the US domestic market. (heck, look at hyundai.. went from bucket of bolts that fell apart to fairly decent cars. Only took what? 10+ years? must be run by a bunch of lazy americans who don't give a hoot)
 
I got 6 fte and 9 shell casings stuck OUT OF A 100 rounds of wally world....all seperate instances. The failure to extract occured because the spent shell casing stovepiped in between the slide and barrel. The stuck rounds in the chamber were actually STUCK in the chamber and had to be pried out using my wooden dowel that I have on hand for squib loads - think wolf ammo in an AR15 problems....

The rails were actually "grinding down" - I don't think the pistol had the proper tolerances - you could press your finger on the rail and you would actually feel "a groove" in the rail. The gun owner that I traded in too even noticed this too. It was not right because we compared it to another m&p and it did not have as pronounced "groove".

Don't take this the wrong way, I am in no way pissed of at smith and wesson - I'm just upset I got a lemon and it was taken care of the first time I sent it in.
 
Hope I have better luck. I think the S&W is on to something with the M&P. If it doesn't come back working well, I'll just keep sending it back until it comes back "right."

It's not my only firearm, so it's no big deal for me to send it back on their dime.

I'll keep you all posted.
 
Stupidity is it's own reward. If S&W really wants to marginalize themselves even further, this is the way to do it.

Sorry to say this as I'm a S&W fan, but the Beretta PX4 has nowhere near this level of problems; it's of similar vintage. It's also not getting the same marketing attention too.

As I said above, it won't get any better unless significant dissatisfied customers take the time to make a complaint.
 
I got 6 fte and 9 shell casings stuck OUT OF A 100 rounds of wally world....all seperate instances.

so what you are saying is that you got 15 failures to extract and 9 of them were stuck shell casings. Because i don't see how you can have a stuck shell casing without having a failure to extract.
 
Well gee, I'm sorry for not wording it correctly. This is the only pistol that I had that had these problems so I'm not use to the terminology. Without being an ass, I'm sure most of the people on here could understand what I meant.
 
While I feel bad for your problems, I do believe your case is in the very small minority. I own a 9 M&P, which has been flawless in 1000+ rounds. I belong to the M&P forums, and have never read ANY problems with the gun to the degree you had, nor have I heard of Smith's repairs being so botched.

I understand your offloading the gun, I do, but if it had been me I would have MADE smith make it right, and if I know their CS, it only would have taken one more trip back before you got a new gun.

As for the "faulty American" rant above, horsepucky. I have a whole closet of American made guns that have been stellar, flawless performers, and have experieinced NOTHING but good service from their manufacturers. Go buy your H&K, or your Steyrs, but don't try to convince me they will out last my old trusty Ruger P89, which is getting near 20,000 rounds without a single issue. It was a "first year" gun.

What's more, Most of my "lesser" American guns cost less than their Euro counterparts, and put Americans to work by their purchase.
 
Well gee, I'm sorry for not wording it correctly. This is the only pistol that I had that had these problems so I'm not use to the terminology. Without being an ass, I'm sure most of the people on here could understand what I meant.

Little bit sensitive aren't you? I was attempting to calrify because initially it was unclear if you just transposed numbers or not. in the end, the reality is you had 15 failures to extract out of X rounds, which is unacceptable. The fact 9 of them stuck in the chamber definitely means it isn't technique (unlike stovepipes, which generally are), and either something is not right with the gun, or you got some out of spec ammo. I don't think that's the case in your situation.

Still would have liked pics to see if what you are talking about is normal stuff you just didn't notice earlier or didn't look right, damage, or material defect.
 
I'd like to see that pistol in someone elses hands shooting to see if they have the problems, or stop in to a good gunsmith and have them look at it.

When sent in to Smith did you include detailed list of the problems?
 
yes I did actually - the detail of the problems, how much ammo (kind and grain), even the shooting stance I explained. Plus, I talked to the s&w for a couple of minutes explaining it (I think his name is Larry?)
 
raz-0 - sorry I came off a little harsh, it was a bad day for me and I am still kinda upset about this because all the other smith guns I have are flawless.
 
Just received the M&P 40 back from the factory today. It came back with an additional magazine and the following note:

"The following characteristic (s) have been examined and adjusted to our standards:
CHARACTERISTIC DESCRIPTION

CUSTOMER COMPLAINT: DAMAGED COMPONENTS

REPAIRED: REPLACED SLIDE STOP

REPAIRED: INSPECTED/TESTED & PASSED"

I will take it out to the range tomorrow and provide an update on how the weapon worked after the repairs.

Also, as this was a duty weapon, I requested that the magazine disconnect be removed--to no avail.
 
I took my m&p 40 to the range today. I put 100+ flawless rounds through it. It was very accurate and easy to shoot. S&W got it right this time.
 
i met someone at the range who had a mp9mm

i talked to him and he said it gave him so many problems, he shot less than 50 and went to his car to get a glock 17 no problems.

persoanlly, id stay away from the mp
 
i met someone at the range who had a mp9mm

i talked to him and he said it gave him so many problems, he shot less than 50 and went to his car to get a glock 17 no problems.

persoanlly, id stay away from the mp

So are you saying you met a guy with a glock saying the M&P sucked?

Cause that sounds like some reliable feedback right there.

IF you have a bunch of jams out of one batch of ammo, always assume it is the gun right?
 
I met a guy the other day who knew a dude who was friends with the dad of this guy who was at the range when this other guy was overheard complaining about [insert your pistol name here] being a jammomatic POS.

I'd certainly stay away from 'em!

:rolleyes:
 
Don't be too harsh. Sometimes word of mouth is all we have to go on.

For instance, I heard that a group of M&P's formed a machete squad and butchered an entire town in Africa. I also heard that after killing off the entire village, the M&P's threw down Glocks in order to blame the genocide on the Austrian pistol. Particularly evil, those Smiths.

I also got an email from an M&P in Nigeria, who claimed to be a prince needing to nest some funds in my bank account. I didn't know about the whole machete death squad thing, so I gave him my account #, which he of course cleaned out. I haven't heard from him since.
 
M&P

I recently bought the M&P .40 cal with night sights and Mg safety. By the way I got it at cabelas for $450. I have fired a few hundred rounds through the gun and have had no problems with it. I am a new shooter in fact this is my first handgun, beyound a 22. I am only mentioneing that I am a new shooter so that even with a most likely inproper grip in use, you can see that it has been very comfortable and reliable for me. Havent had to deal with smith and wesson customer service, and hope no tto have to. I have only put cheap range ammo FMJ through the chamber and have had no hangups, misfires, or stove pipes. I will keep you updated as I fire more rounds and exspose the gun to continued abuse.
 
Had my M&P for over a year now , no hiccups or bobbles so far . Sounds like you got one of the occasional lemons all manufactireres produce .
 
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