Snohomish County, Washington crackdown on illegal outdoor shooting

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The Everett Herald, in today's (21 March 2006) issue, printed a story about outdoor shooting in the Sultan River Basin area: http://www.heraldnet.com/stories/06/03/21/100loc_b1shoot001.cfm

The gist of the story is that shooting in that area is illegal and the Sheriff's Office will be stepping up patrols in the area and citing people shooting in posted no-shooting zones. Much of the area used to be open to shooting, but due to increasing reports of vandalism, trash dumping and people shooting themselves or others, the County Council expanded the no-shooting zone a few years ago.
 
Back in the early 80's we could shoot anywhere in King and Snohomish counties. Most of the places were pristine and no evidence a shoot took place after the shooters were gone. Then it began to get trashey, under power lines and in the pits near hiking trails and such. Then came the restrictions and the closures.

A couple of years ago while up in the Snohomish area I saw signs of no less than 12 agencies warning of no shooting. Plus all the service roads having the "trench" across them. They have jumped on the same wagon King Co. did years ago, banning shooting under power lines and general rural county.

Since the area is being populated to an extreme extent and the loss of the indoor firing ranges I'm not surprised at Snohomish County's move.

The thing I noticed most was mostly the fault of the shooters. Example gravel pits and general shooting areas were terrible. Full of old cars, computers, other junk being shot up. Loads of shell casings, brass, targets every where. This followed by the Trash people hauled in there for thier private dumping grounds.

After stopping shooting up in the Spada area a few years back. I gravitated to the Deer Creek area and then if memory serves to the pit up on Pilchuck.

Most of these shooting areas were pristine when we began shooting there and we made damn sure they were left that way when we left as we saw the coming demise and closures. Next time we would come to visit the place looked like a dump. HMMMMMM? Finally I got tired of policing up others messes and just stopped going. Pretty much stopped shooting.

I hated it because they shut the gate from Spada to Granite Falls. Lovely area. The service people said they could no longer keep with the trash dumpers and the shooters. It was too expensive to gather up their messes and pay to take them to the transfer stations. It was cheaper to trench the roads and close the areas.

I have my own range now on my property and when we leave it has only dimples in the dirt back stop. But I'm a ways out from your area now.

We used to have some good times there and I miss those days but you shooters that can't clean up after yourselves deserved to be locked out of every where. You are your own worst enemy! We won't even talk about those trash dumpers. Including contractors and such. As they need to be shot.

Milcreek, You know of what I speak as you have seen it yourself. Don't have an answer for you but sympathize because I pretty much gave up the sport when the Continental Sportsman closed. It's different here in the other state of Washington.
 
I can see that the above poster is a kindred spirit to me. It annoys me no end when people use an impromptu range as a dump site and/or fail to police up their trash. They just ruin it for the rest of us. Just over the past year, with the new restrictions and costs to dispose of electronic equipment, lots of people are now dumping their old computers, monitors and TV sets up there and using them for targets.

The last straw for me was going up there and finding a couple of groups of shooters who were simultaneously shooting and drinking heavily. I have to admit it was the first time I had ever seen a beer bottle used as a clay pigeon to practice shooting skeet! After seeing most members of the groups sweeping each other and bystanders with their muzzles, I left.

I would love to find a good outdoor range in this area, closer than range 15 down at Ft. Lewis. The range on Ebey island seems to have real irregular hours, and I have trouble finding them to be open at all.
 
Here are the outdoor ranges I know of in this area:

Kenmore Range
Renton Fish and Game
Tacoma Rifle and Revolver
Cascade Rifle and Pistol (brand new range facilities, plus a separate small indoor range for .22 only)
Black Diamond Gun Club (my club, good little place to shoot)
Tacoma Sportsman's Club (Puyallup)
Nisqually Sportsman's Club (Eatonville)

For indoor ranges:

Champion Arms
Bulls Eye Shooter's Supply (Tacoma)
The Marksman (Puyallup)

There are some more indoor ranges up north, but I'm not too familiar with them.

In retrospect, I also shot at a few outdoor sites when I was stationed at Ft. Lewis, 1985-1990. My favorite places were just a little out past the Roy "Y". My buddy and I used to burn up tons of ammunition out there. Needless to say, it's not there any more. :(

I also used to spend hours out at Range 15. I helped start some bowling pin matches out there. It was really, really fun. Sure wish I could go out there again!
 
My rant/letter to the Herald

Dear Scott,


You Wrote "Most of the people are good people who love
to shoot, but they don't have a place to do it,"
Castillo said. "But it's a no-shooting zone, and even
if they're not contributing to the problem, they are
part of it." And, "The area is a hotspot for trash
dumping and abandoned cars. Many of the objects left
there become targets.
Shotgun shells, bullet casings, exploded propane tanks
and empty beer cans litter the pullouts and clearings
along the road. Paint still covers the ground where
Castillo found two men shooting one-gallon paint cans
two weeks ago."


In reading your article of 21 Mar RE: Deputies target
illegal shooting

I have a few observations, comments and a rant or two.

Yes there IS a problem with items dumped and a few
irresponsible shooters making us ALL look bad. I've
lived in Sultan since 1990, I shoot approx 6000-8000
rounds per year MOSTLY at pits up on the Sultan Basin
Road. ( due to there NOT being many other places to
shoot) In that time I've seen it go from a decent
place to be to one that is rather disgusting in some
areas and dangerous in others.

THAT said however, there are a few point that NEED to
be made. I think that Mr Castillo is NOT seeing the
whole issue...just the part he can make noise with.

Every time the transfer station rates go up OR items
are refused (think refrigerators or anything with
refrigerant in it), those items then appear in the
woods. The county council has seemed to miss this
hard correlation of cause and effect. The dumping
rates
keep going up and more and more items are refused for
whatever reasons. There seems to be a disconnect
between the APPARENT cost recovery of higher rates and
the higher rates of out-of-site cleanup..which is MUCH
more costly than taking the materials in at the
transfer stations in the first place.

It is nearly IMPOSSIBLE for a private citizen to get
any action when a dumper is CAUGHT. Whole rolls of
photos with clear facial shots, the license number of
the vehicle AND the bags IN THE AIR are greeted by law
enforcement (that would be Mr Castillo) and DNR with a
" Oh well" attitude. I
personally have about given up trying to make a
difference due to the VAST indifference of law
enforcement and DNR. Even Department of Fish and
Wildlife just yawns at the report and photos of a
vehicle upside down and leaking oil in a "salmon
stream".
These are the same folks raising a stink about the
items being dumped, yet seem unwilling to ACT to catch
the dumpers and stop the dumping.

The County has long had a plan (rough form) for a
shooting sports park in the Sultan Basin area for the
use of recreational shooters and law enforcement
training (as noted in your article). However there
never seems to be FUNDING for this. Even though the
Parks and Recreation folks can find moneys to build
yurts, trails and picnic shelters. In the meantime
the county has actively participated in the closure of
several formal ranges, the closure of several informal
shooting areas and the driving to eliminate shooting
sports in general. There seems to be much money for
bird watching trails, river front land aquisitions,
river front park development and beaches with
access....but not for a shooting park.

Maybe if the Law Enforcement community were NOT
exempted from the restrictions that are placed on the
rest of the shooters then they might be a tad more
sympathetic.

I do believe that there is room for everyone. The
knee-jerk reaction of banning shooting will NOT solve
the DUMPING problems.

The closure of this area simply moves the shooting to
another spot, perhaps one less accessible and less
easily policed. I believe that a safe spot for
shooting sports can be made, I know that several of
the best ones, with SAFE backstops, clear downrange
areas and good access have been closed off due to
garbage dumping.

I know that speaking for myself, I take out FAR more
than I bring in, I clear ALL of my targets and police
my brass....even .22s. I take a garbage can at least
once a month and fill it with the leavings of others.
I HIGHLY doubt that the shooters are the ones leaving
bags of dirty diapers in a broken down refrigerator at
the side of the road. The county needs to re-examine
the solid waste policies, Law enforcement needs to
take a proactive stance, the DNR needs to be more
active in responding to dumping reports instead of
passing the buck.

I dont like being tarred with the same brush as a few
irresponsible folks. I've hunted, fished and hiked
DNR, state and federal lands and forestry company
lands for my entire life. I leave footprints, I take
legal game and photos and I haul out much more than I
came in with.

As a responsible shooter, I am a Department of Fish
and Wildlife Hunter Education instructor ( that is
volunteer position to boot), an NRA certified Rifle
and
Pistol instructor and an active hunter and
recreational shooter.

I see a total lack of education
in our schools and communities, which leads to
ignorant attitudes and actions in our communities and
on our lands. This needs to change. Education is the
starting point of knowledge, which leads to wisdom.

Sincerely,

Aaron Everett
 
I remember when they started posting Sultan. I believe it came on the heels of a father managing to somehow shoot and kill his own son while target shooting, not to mention a long, and increasing trend, of illegal dumping and general disrespect for the entire area. As much as it pains me to say the fact is that it was our fellow shooters that cost us the opportunity to shoot out there, I cant really blame them for closing up the area after the condition that it was left in. We used to pull out a truckload of garbage everytime we went shooting, and it didnt even make a dent.
 
There aren't any places to shoot over on the east side, either. That TriCities place closed, mhm, yep, no place left over here, might as well stay on your side of the mountains, fellas. Yep, no shootin' over here, nope. :rolleyes:

The sentiment here is 'close the door and don't let anyone else in.' Don't want to see I82 turn into I5.

jmm
 
Yes, the slobs ruin it don't they

I find the same problem in Oregon. If you do find a decent place to shoot, you have to keep it to yourself. Otherwise, it turns into a dumping ground. Even the Forest Service guys see this and stop and politely ask us to pick up our brass. They never seem to notice the garbage bag full of trash right next to me with shotgun shells pouring out the top, and me without a shotgun.

And they have become your typical government officer that doesn't really listen to anything I say and just pretty much frowns simply because I'm shooting my pistol. The litter bugs ruin it for everyone, and the forest service guys don't help much either because they treat everyone with contempt figuring all shooters are lying to them because some of them do not even attempt to pick up after themselves.

Yes, it is sad that a select few can ruin it for all. As for the trash dumpers, their pretty keen too. We saw a guy looking for a dumping ground once when we were 4 wheeling (buddy was stuck on log, not moving anywhere fast) when a LEO came up and chewed us out for trying to get on private property. My buddy was crossing the log blockage and was stuck. But the LEO stopped the truck full of trash and came back and claimed he was out "picking it up." Yeah, right. I'm sorry, but guys with visibly lousy hygiene sporting big beer bellies and mullets don't collect trash, they dump it.

In Hillsboro area, I run out to Browns Camp OHV area and shoot in the gravel pit. I also take garbage bags with me everytime and come home with more garbage than I generated. Not a fun thing, but if someone doesn't do it, the closures will start. Now, if I can get the government employee to open his eyes long enough to realize that there is "someone" trying to mop up this mess and give shooters a good name, then we may get somewhere. As I see it now, I suspect not.

jeepmor
 
Well, over here in the West Sound, we've still got clubs in Gig Harbor and Kitsap County with outdoor ranges (albeit no longer ranges for rifle). Just noticed a couple weekends ago that an area around Mission Creek (Belfair, Mason County) where another THR member took some of us shootin' has since been massively posted (it had gotten pretty trashy too).

As Jeepmor notes, it behooves us all to trek out garbage when we go shooting, even if most of it isn't ours ... Unfortunately, the trash so many thoughtless morons leave behind causes us all to be judged harshly.

Yep, MillCreek, I usually have to make that trip to Range 15 an all day affair myself.

When I was living on Whidbey Island, I frequented Green's north of Oak Harbor and the N. Whidbey Sportsman's Assoc. for my outdoor shooting ... Good places, both.
 
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