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What's going on is that you keep making up strawmen (whether intentionally or not) and then claiming that the other party is changing their argument when they correctly point out that your strawman isn't what they said.
No the other side of the coin is no straw man.
You asked.

"So another question, is, assuming that taking longer improves your hit rate, do you live long enough to make your improved hit rate count?"
And I flipped the coin, maybe I need more exact wording so.

My response is
Assuming speeding up reduces your hit rate do you live long enough to get extra rounds off?
 
Again, tell that to Lance Thomas. In every one of his gunfights except his first he needed more than 5 shots and prevailed every time.
Lance Thomas didn't switch from a 5 to a 6 shot revolver and go "there problem solved because I can shoot an el prez drill now"
 
No the other side of the coin is no straw man.
You asked.
What "other side"? Drivel. John nailed it.

Assuming speeding up reduces your hit rate do you live long enough to get extra rounds off?
Think hits, rather than "hit rate".

Lance Thomas didn't switch from a 5 to a 6 shot revolver and go "there problem solved because I can shoot an el prez drill now"
That is a meaningless assertion.
 
Just idle speculation, since Teddy Roosevelt preferred a 32 AC Browning semi that was 7+1, I wonder if he (and all the Gramps cited here way back when) presented with a Glock 26 or 19 would reject it.
 
No. How would I? Why would I?

No matter what unfolds, I will use the minimum force necessary to defend myself.

That's the law.
LOL because like I said earlier if you don't take your limitations into account you're far more likely to exceed them. Which you agreed with. That's the problem with using one excuse as to why 5 isn't enough and a different one as to why 6 is you lose track.

And Deadly force is deadly force.
 
Your points about there being a great difference between LEO actions, and a private person, are valid. One runs towards a problem, the other tries to move away, or avoid the problem!

A normal person is not out walking the backstreets, on a dark night, trying to find the mugger, nor traveling to answer a call about a DV, drugged idiot, or to find criminal activity!!

What I did find interesting is the comments of some that, in the USA, a Police officer is not required to go towards gunfire, to protect the public, only to protect a prisoner!
Umm I had never actually considered that NOT responding to an armed offender, or shots fired, was an option for the Police!?

I am not certain how to completely answer this, but yes, a person, who is in police custody, absolutely must be protected. When I took a person into custody, or an impaired person came to be in my care, I took ownership of that person’s safety, until they were delivered to a jail, to a medical facility, or, if applicable, released in a safe environment. To do otherwise could be seen as violating the individual’s civil rights, as guaranteed by the U.S. Constitution.

And, there is a court case, that went all the way to the US Supreme Court, with an ultimate finding that a police department is responsible for the safety of the entire public at large, and not necessarily responsible for the safety of any one member of the public. The case dealt with response to a specific address, for a call for service, but I recall no details. Obviously, this court decision does not abrogate the responsibility to protect the civil rights of a person in custody.

An individual peace officer, in the USA, is not expected to needlessly throw his/her life away, in a vain attempt to stop a dangerous criminal act, but, a failure to act, in a reasonable manner, can result in disciplinary action, and in some jurisdictions, prosecution for neglect of duty. I wore a badge, for the city of Houston, Texas, from 1984 to 2018, and knew that I was expected to go toward the sound of the guns, if at all reasonably possible. Indeed, for much of the Eighties, and perhaps well into the Nineties, I was actually required to be armed at all times, with a handgun of at least .380 ACP or .38 Special power level, and “always subject to duty.”

Eventually, the requirement to be armed, while off the clock, was rescinded, but being “always subject to duty” remained, which was generally interpreted to mean that a reasonable attempt to be a good witness, and get a detailed suspect description, remained a requirement. It was understood that an off-the-clock officer, who was accompanied by family members, should not place his family members in danger, as the officer’s priority to protect his/her family was reasonable.

Our “active shooter” training did emphasize the need to intervene to protect the public, at a mass-homicide event, with survival of self being subordinate to stopping the killing. For the first time, “going home at the end of your shift” was specifically moved to secondary priority, with stopping the killing being given top priority. We were trained to proceed immediately to the killer’s location, preferably in a small team, but, alone, if necessary. If this idea bothered us, we were advised to find another occupation. Part of the active shooter training was an emphasis on carrying duty/service pistols during personal time, though the requirement to be armed 24/7/365 was not re-instituted. (Very few departments/agencies want to require an officer/agent to always carry a weapon, anymore, because, for one reason another, being intoxicated, or impaired by medication, at least on occasion, is part of the human condition.)
 
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You're the one that keeps pointing John's threads about hit rate.
You have missed the point on that one--completely.

Why because it's shows just how ludicrous you are being?
What you believe that Lance Thomas may or may not have thought or said shows nothing of the kind.

LOL because like I said earlier if you don't take your limitations into account you're far more likely to exceed them.
My training calls for firing a sufficient number of rounds as rapidly as possible with combat accuracy to stop the threat, and no more.

That's the problem with using one excuse as to why 5 isn't enough and a different one as to why 6 is you lose track.
Again--five may suffice--or not. Six is better, and six may suffice--or not.

You have attacked the comments of several others, but you have not offered one whit of reasoning in support of whatever it is that you are trying to espouse.
 
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I heard that in an good 'ol boy gun store in Austin from a rather unfit commando clerk. Convinced me that he didn't know squat. Cliches usually indicate such.

BTW, Joe Biden approves of the statements! It justifies proposed mag bans.
 
You have missed the point on that one--completely.
Why because I look at what the effect increasing accuracy does. It would seem that only looking at round count wouldn't be an objective use of the information.
What you believe that Lance Thomas may or may not have thought or said shows nothing of the kind.
Has nothing to do with his thoughts I'm comparing his actions to yours.
Again--five may suffice--or not. Six is better, and six may suffice--or not.
Six isn't better if you ignore the limitations of only having 6 rounds. Mentality trumps round count.
Also 6 May not be better if you have to make some other compromise to get 6.
I use my LCR sometimes because the weight of my Hellcat is hard on my kneecap when I'm active, your Kimber is heavier than the Hellcat.
 
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I think Jeff White nailed it. The idea is to escape the conflict altogether, not get in a gun fight. I have never felt under gunned w a j frame as long as I can retre
I heard that in an good 'ol boy gun store in Austin from a rather unfit commando clerk. Convinced me that he didn't know squat. Cliches usually indicate such.

BTW, Joe Biden approves of the statements! It justifies proposed mag bans.
It certainly dose not justify any such thing. There are tangible advantages to revolvers @ 0 range. If I'm not @ work it's a 45 in a belly band or a glock on the belt. If I am @ work (the operative of self defense) it's a j frame. The point of the j frame is to get to the truck where my AK is.
 
You have missed the point on that one--completely.

What you believe that Lance Thomas may or may not have thought or said shows nothing of the kind.

My training calls for firing a sufficient number of rounds as rapidly as possible with combat accuracy to stop the threat, and no more.

Again--five may suffice--or not. Six is better, and six may suffice--or not.

You have attacked the comments of several others, but you have not offered one whit of reasoning in support of whatever it is that you are trying to espouse.
There is no question of superior firepower. The post was concerning adequate firepower for a particular reason. I would love to carry a 105mm howitzer w me everywhere I go, but it takes too long to unhitch from the truck, etc. A j frame allows you to carry ALL of the time in difficult conditions. There might be others as well, but a j frame is the simplest solution. I is not inadequate in any way for ones own neighborhood.
 
Why because I look at what the effect increasing accuracy does. It would seem that only looking at round count wouldn't be an objective use of the information.
We need to consider the number of rounds that hit in the time available.
Has nothing to do with his thoughts I'm comparing his actions to yours
You said '"Lance Thomas didn't switch from a 5 to a 6 shot revolver and go 'there problem solved because I can shoot an el prez drill now'". What could that have to do with "my actions"?
Six isn't better if you ignore the limitations of only having 6 rounds.
What?
Mentality trumps round count.
Yes, along with skill, circumstances, and luck.
I think Jeff White nailed it. The idea is to escape the conflict altogether, not get in a gun fight.
Amen!
I have never felt under gunned w a j frame as long as I can retre
How one "feels" is rather meaningless.
 
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