So hard waiting....Are CZ Production Numbers Low compared to others????

[mfer]

So, I'm waiting on 2 items from CZ before buying anymore. I've put less than 600 rounds through my SP-01 and I shoot (what I would call) well with it.

I'm wanting a PCR and a Kadet. Might get a P-01, but want the PCR for CCW as it seems to make a little more sense (chamber indicator and no rail).

Bottom line, there are hardly any CZ's around it seems. I went to a CZ dealer in town....one CZ P-07. Went to another, they have a few, .45, SS Polished 75 (not for sale?), P-07, Russian commemorative edition and the P-01. Went to another dealer....none, but they did have a P-01 used for like $40 less than new.

They all have almost every model Sig, S&W, etc that is comparable to models I'm going after.

So, it got me thinking.....are CZ's production numbers low, are they that in demand, am I just in a CZ blackhole (dallas)? I saw on funbroker that they had some PCR's a few weeks ago at fair price. Should have gotten then, but I do like buying where I can see it, but if another comes up at a good price, I'll just bite the bullet (is that a pun here?). Still never seen a Kadet for sale, but I'm on like 4 emails notification lists and 2 dealers that I call every two weeks that supposedly get them.

Thoughts?

Oh, the good news....I did find some cheap brass 115 gr 9mm for 21cents a round out the door with tax! Bought 1000 of that.

 

[jmr40]

In my experience CZ's are mostly popular on the internet. Overall they are not common at all. I live about 1/2 way between Atlanta and Chattanooga. I know of one shop in the Atlanta area that might have a half dozen to pick from out of 15,000 guns in stock. None that I've ever seen anywhere else. I tried one a few years ago and don't know another single person who has ever owned one.

There are a small number of folks who play range games that like them and are very vocal in their praise. I was underwhelmed.

 

[viking499]

They come in spurts, or shall we say by the boat load.

Are you looking for a new PCR or a used PCR?

You will be able to get a Kadet kit, but not a complete Kadet anymore. They have discontinued the complete gun. You can find them from time to time on the used market, but their price is going up.

 

[ritepath]

1. They just don't import enough to supply an overwhelming demand.

Most folks find out once they've held and shot a CZ there's nothing else worthy, everything else is pretty mediocre by comparison.

They currently produce two or three of the best CC pistols made, and a simply amazing line of fullsized and compact hammer fired pistols.


Once you try a CZ you'll find everything else underwhelming.


I went to our local CZ dealer a few weeks ago (2 hr drive) and they were closed, gone to a gunshow. Stopped by the next closest shop and they have 4 used ones under the glass. I should have bought the RAMI or 85 but thought I'd wait and see what was at another gun show the next day. The next day there was 2 new CZ's in the whole place. I really had my heart set on getting a 40 that day, so I walked out empty handed without even touching another offering on any of the tables.

 

[guyfromohio]

Buds has a P-01 and a compact D with rail (me-thinks it's a P-01 misprint). PCRs do come and go as stated.

I just received my layaway CZ Compact SDP and I can't say enough about it. I've never experienced a DA/SA trigger like that before. My new Carry to be sure.

 

[mfer]

They come in spurts, or shall we say by the boat load.

Are you looking for a new PCR or a used PCR?

You will be able to get a Kadet kit, but not a complete Kadet anymore. They have discontinued the complete gun. You can find them from time to time on the used market, but their price is going up.

Looking for new PCR and Kadet rail. I might buy a CZ 75 BD for it to use exclusively if my modifications to my SP-01 don't like the Kadet.

 

[mfer]

Once you try a CZ you'll find everything else underwhelming.

I wouldn't say underwhelming, CZ just fits me very well and feels very balanced right out of the box. For me Remington Shotguns fit me with no modification either, and people don't have a high opinion of them. I feel like my 11-87 was made custom for me.

 

[ritepath]

I know how you feel there, I have a whole set of 1148's 410,28,20,16,12 cheap shotguns that just work. My grandfather bought all 5 at once in the late 50's

 

[mfer]

I know how you feel there, I have a whole set of 1148's 410,28,20,16,12 cheap shotguns that just work. My grandfather bought all 5 at once in the late 50's

I understand they made them even better back then (I'm jealous of that complete grandfather set)! I shot an 1100 a few times and loved that gun. Need to add it to my list.

 

[csa77]

CZ's are one of the most common uspsa production gun(sp-01's I believe) just behind glocks. I'm not sure but I think only their custom shop makes them.




of course that's not a very popular sport.

 

[Sergei Mosin]

CZ seems to send in a container every few months. I'll see a lot of them show up at my LGS all at once and the stock will gradually dwindle until there are hardly any left, then all of a sudden they have a ton of them again. So if you see one you want, jump on it, and if you don't see it, be patient; it'll be along, but it might be a while.

 

[chaim]

When I was shopping guns, I went into my favorite local gun shop. When I said I was looking at a few things, he asked what one gun I was most interested in. Even though it wasn't necessarily the best fit for what I was looking for, I said the PCR (I've wanted one for about 15yrs). His immediate, seemingly reflexive, reply was "why does everyone want the PCR, the one gun I can't get a hold of." They have been rare lately (well, not just lately, they seem to come and go, but are hard to find more often than they are readily available) and seem to sell as fast as anyone can get them in stock (i.e. they are pretty popular).

At least around here, I wouldn't say there is generally a CZ shortage, and I see a fair number online. Nearly everyone seems to carry the P07, it must have become a pretty popular gun. I also see a fair number of the standard CZ 75B, an occasional RAMI, 97B, various 85s, etc. The P01 is fairly common. However, the PCR rarely seems to show up.

This time around, I ended up buying a P01 in green (the store had the green and the standard black finish side by side and I was surprised how much I liked the green). They had one of each on display, and when I decided to buy, the salesman went to the back to get me one that had never been handled (I have no idea how many they actually had).

 

[armoredman]

CZ-UB has contracts all over the world to fill, and there is only the one factory. Ah, a dream, a CZ factory IN the US...but not likely.
The guns come in by the plane load, whatever is ready to go, and sometimes there can be surprises.
CZ seems to be well represented in the competition circles, winning many matches, I'm told. We are getting the word out, and that has become a double edged sword - high demand low availability. I was offered $1,000 for my CZ SP-01 Phantom once, importation stopped a few years ago, and of course, answer is no.

 

[guyfromohio]

CZ-UB has contracts all over the world to fill, and there is only the one factory. Ah, a dream, a CZ factory IN the US...but not likely.
The guns come in by the plane load, whatever is ready to go, and sometimes there can be surprises.
CZ seems to be well represented in the competition circles, winning many matches, I'm told. We are getting the word out, and that has become a double edged sword - high demand low availability. I was offered $1,000 for my CZ SP-01 Phantom once, importation stopped a few years ago, and of course, answer is no.

Not my dream. I can name more than a few others that immediately went to crap once they were brought here for US manufacturing.

 

[gotboostvr]

I'm pretty sure the P01 Omega I want is made entirely out of unobtanium.

I'm awaiting a P07 in the meantime instead of a regular P01 so I don't end up with two very similar pistols once they start showing up.

 

[Pilot]

Order them on line at various auction sites or online dealers, and have them transferred at your local FFL. It is easy. I have bought most of my CZ's that way. The only CZ I bought in an LGS, ironically was a new PCR back in 2000.

CZ makes their guns in batches for the U.S. market and others. That's why you will see a lot, then none at all for a while.

 

[bannockburn]

I never saw any CZs at my local gun shops and sporting goods stores; same with the local gun shows. It was like all of the dealers had never heard of them. Finally found a gun shop a couple hours drive from home that at least carried them (when I was there the first time they had a P01, P06, and a P07, along with a Kadet conversion kit; I bought the P01 and the Kadet kit). And basically the only reason they had any in the display case is that the sales clerk who did the ordering really liked CZs too and tried to get them in whenever he could.

 

[I6turbo]

Order them on line at various auction sites or online dealers, and have them transferred at your local FFL. It is easy. I have bought most of my CZ's that way. The only CZ I bought in an LGS, ironically was a new PCR back in 2000.

CZ makes their guns in batches for the U.S. market and others. That's why you will see a lot, then none at all for a while.

Further on this, when I was looking for a PCR the situation was similar to now -- no new ones available except for the occasional one on GB that brought substantially more money than it normally would. Such as this one: http://www.gunbroker.com/item/582243540
I called CZ to see when the next boatload was to show up and they told me that they weren't certain, but they currently had 1800 units on backorder from U.S. dealers. They showed up about 3 or 4 weeks later and were plentiful (and priced in the $550 range) on GB for a month or two, then dried up again.

Be patient, and they'll show up. Or, pay a little more and get immediate gratification.

 

[ny32182]

Two reasons they are probably less popular that some others in the US:

1) They are mostly (all?) hammer fired, and most are metal framed, and neither of those attributes are congruent with the striker fired/plastic framed momentum of the last 10 years.

2) No variation of them has ever been used by the US military, nor are they popular with LE, probably due to the above mentioned trends and cost.

US consumers buy what the military and LE buys. What does/has the military used? 1911s, Beretta, and Glocks, so that is what the US consumer buys.

Yes, they are very popular now, and still gaining momentum in Production division in USPSA. This is driven by what people are using to win national championships, and while that hasn't actually been a CZ, it has been a metal frame DA/SA for 6 years running now, and CZs meet that need and have the best logistical support of anything in that segment.

 

[drband]

My LGS usually keeps a few CZs in stock. He even has a couple of 97Bs. I think they just appear sporadically based on what's shipped to the US.

 

[mfer]

Thanks for the responses everyone!

 

[jahwarrior]

I've only ever seen CZ's twice in local shops, and I bought a RAMI on one of those occssions. Cabela's is a licensed dealer, and usually has a good selection, bit the closest one to me is over an hour away. Big box dealers are probably going to be your best bet, next to online dealers.

 

[ritepath]

^ A Cabelas just opened near me (1 hr away) I'll have to check them out next time. But then again there's a dealer not 20 minutes up the road from that store.

 

[mfer]

Well there are two Cabela's near me. Each one only has one.

But I have an update. I did manage to find a Kadet!!!!!!!

 

[CoalTrain49]

Not at all popular around here. I've never even seen one and I shoot once a week at a private range.

The rifles are popular though. My LGS carries them, I bought one, and I've seen some at Cabela's also. Pistols not so much.