First, let me apologize for cutting to the quick.
I am sorry for being short with you. It is easier to convey what we need to if we don’t have to worry about hurt feelings, but I could have been more cordial. It isn’t in my nature, but I’ll make an effort. Tough guys have feelings too, I guess.
Please try not to read emotion into my post. I promise I don’t care that much because my choice is made. I don’t have a budget to just switch Willy-nilly because someone in Texas didn’t shoot through one more board.
(That probably isn’t right either, but I don’t know how else to put it.)
So for everyone that thought this out reasonably in this thread and understood why I presented the question to my peers here, for your input ... thank you.
For Demi-human ... I'll not return your condescension but rather try to explain it to you with the hope you'll not be so color-confused.
But then you did. You even did it before you answered. Sigh.
Most of us also do not expect to face home intruders decked-out in armor ... apparently your neck of the woods has intruders who wear armor so, in your case, by all means go heavy and fast ... penetrate that bad guy intruder armor. lol
Is this a laughing matter?
Haughtiness is fine at the Bar, but this is a somber discussion. I thought, which is why we should talk plainly with the least amount of acronyms as possible. An SRT is a Dodge, and an HRT is a Chevy to 93% of humans, though I can extrapolate from this conversation it is SWAT-esque.
So weight is big among military and ex-military filling civillian contractor security roles.
I thought this was about HD? You say so in the pseudo-poll you want everyone to vote 9mm in.
We all, traditionally benefit from military technological advancements ... civilian use comes after the military works out the kinks, historically speaking.
I do not disagree. So far they are carrying…5.56.
9mm is back. 9mm can do anything 300 BLK can do (inside offices and dwellings, according to the military) and it does it within the weight and cost parameters that the military lives-by.
I am not military, just a fan.
But hey Demi-human ... if I'm ever burglarized or home invaded by any of those MI up-armored bad guys you must have up there ... I'm sure I'll regret my decision.
You probably would. In addition to increasing numbers of criminals being found in possession of body armor in the south east of the state, we wear winter gear here 8 months of the year. Weren’t you just talking about opponent PPE? That’s armor.
Extra layers need extra penetration. Hubris is dangerous.
Who do you think is buying up all of PSA’s Draco’s? Detroit!
Here's the finishing math for you ...
Condescension.
A 9mm 147 grain cartridge weighs .6 that of a 150 grain 300 blk.
And your math was wrong anyway.
Comically so.
There is not half the amount of brass in a nine. Bullet same, primer same. Powder, over TWICE as much! At 13 grains it would take 583 rounds to make a pound of difference.
I’ll take the reliability of Eugene’s impingement of gas over a blow back carbine’s want to remove magazines with OOB.
It still goes back to weight the soldier or operator has to carry.
I don’t need to carry it in my house, the location of your thread.
Now, most SWAT, they could care less about overpenetration, decible noise or any of the other limitations but they're all toting 5.56 not 300 BLK and a lot of departments are about to switch back or convert to 9mm PCCs.
Non-sequitur. They don’t care about what we are talking about but they are switching anyway? Why do we care?
(I do care that the group of firearms users that shoot the most, and miss the most, don’t care about over penetration. They probably haven’t surveyed the local as well as I have to determine shooting lanes. Scary.)
Everything is changing for we civilian peons and serfs.
Not this one. I’m not condescending, I flat out disagree with you.
All things equal, a bigger bullet is a better one. You say so here.
8.6 BLK and 277 SIG Fury are the two darlings of our world now.
Though I would also argue this assertion…
Over penetration is a consideration, it isn’t the only thing. Not even a very big thing. Bullets that will reliably stop inside a body won’t do the damage I want done. The ones that are effective may go all the way through. I wager it’s the misses that are more deadly, having not passed through a fluid medium, not over penetration.
I gathered what you were playing at, though I did ask for confirmation too roughly, my apologies. But I am glad I cut to the chase, it cuts down on the useless jargon and not very precise name dropping.
So, now we have it, finally. Whew.
Over penetration.
“Will a bullet with five hundredths of an inch wider diameter penetrate less than a bullet of the same weight?”
Math says, “Yes.”
Practical Magic says, “How would you be able to infer a difference through the environmental vagaries and situational variations?”
Some of us who don’t know every single military acronym are interested in cartridge and bullet design and use. We have gone through great pains to choose an effective form of defense personal to ourselves and situations.
It’s going to take more than unsubstantiated claims and hair breadth math differences to get us to redo all that work.
Since I, ostensibly, chose wrong three years ago, because I get to choose my ammunition, I’ll just keep my choice to myself.
You don’t have to show you’re right.
Steel sharpens steel. Prove why I’m wrong.
I took you for full face value, someone that told me everything I knew about momentum and terminal ballistics was wrong, and you just dismissed me.
Why not try and teach me?
I may even stop calling it “The Effete Nine”.
Maybe.