Mannlicher
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I Know how I did, and this is not so much to point out the obvious, as to kinda poke fun at those that are still willing to walk around, meek as sheep to the slaughter, for want of a permit.
so how did folks protect themselves before CCW licenses?
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ARperson
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Go back far enough and they didn't need them. 
7.62FullMetalJacket
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Why, the police, of course . I would never carry w/o a permit 
. I would never carry w/o a permit cool45auto
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Ah, the good ole days when you could shoot some varmint, take his boots and go to the saloon.
At one time, there were no laws in the U.S. against carrying a gun, although some states banned concealed carry. I don't know when the first such laws were passed, but I believe it was in the South after the Civil War, and was enforced only against blacks. (Almost every gun control law on the books has its origin in racism, something the anti-gun liberals know but won't admit. Unable to show their hatred and distrust of blacks and Hispanics, they pass laws to control them, disguised as gun control laws.)
As to carrying without a license, I will say, as I have before, that any one who feels he needs to carry a gun will carry one, no matter what the law says, since the consequences of not having a gun are worse than the consequences of being caught carrying illegally. Gun control laws cut down on carry by folks who just like to have a gun around but who do not seriously expect to have to use it.
In other words, locks keep honest folks honest.
Jim
As to carrying without a license, I will say, as I have before, that any one who feels he needs to carry a gun will carry one, no matter what the law says, since the consequences of not having a gun are worse than the consequences of being caught carrying illegally. Gun control laws cut down on carry by folks who just like to have a gun around but who do not seriously expect to have to use it.
In other words, locks keep honest folks honest.
Jim
stans
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Before my CCW permit, I carried in an open fashion or I stayed at home.
El Tejon
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In Chicago I had Oprah's armed bodyguards escort me.
Double Naught Spy
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For many folks, guns are not a good consideration for self protection and many of them have done just fine. Guns are but one option, a good one, but just one option among many.
jade
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So were the first drug laws.
jar
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CCW laws are one of the biggest threats to gun owners IMHO. And they are insiduous. By passing CCW laws, the politicians mollify the gun owners and at the same time, increase the base of people who are willing to outlaw all guns. When we hide our guns away, keep them from being seen, we reenforce the stereotype of gun owners as demons and devils. The general public does not see those who carry a gun responsibly, and so their only frame of reference is those who act irresponsibly.
Before CCW laws, people carried guns openly. The rifle sat on the gun rack in the living room, or in the rear window of the pickup. Guns were carried openly on the hip and no one really paid much attention. Gun owners were just other members of the public, friends and neighbors, and no different from those citizens that did not own or carry guns.
One argument that unfortunately has been adopted by many gun owners, is that having a concealed weapon offers some additional layer of surprise or protection. Reality though, is quite different. Bad people prey on those they see as weaker. They look for the easy target, the target that offers the least possible resistance. I have heard proponents of concealed carry say that they fear that they would become the first target if bad guys knew they were armed. A far more likely scenario is that if the bad guys knew that their potential victims might be armed, they would simply look for a less dangerous target.
Before CCW laws, people carried guns openly. The rifle sat on the gun rack in the living room, or in the rear window of the pickup. Guns were carried openly on the hip and no one really paid much attention. Gun owners were just other members of the public, friends and neighbors, and no different from those citizens that did not own or carry guns.
One argument that unfortunately has been adopted by many gun owners, is that having a concealed weapon offers some additional layer of surprise or protection. Reality though, is quite different. Bad people prey on those they see as weaker. They look for the easy target, the target that offers the least possible resistance. I have heard proponents of concealed carry say that they fear that they would become the first target if bad guys knew they were armed. A far more likely scenario is that if the bad guys knew that their potential victims might be armed, they would simply look for a less dangerous target.
I guess for every point of view there is the opposite.
I do not view CCw permits as a big threat to gun rights if the pressure is maintained for reciprocity and eventual installation of "Vermont style" carry, which is actually just a restoration of the traditional position that you were a good guy until you proved through your actions that you weren't.
CCW conditions the police that we are not denziens of Dodge City, waiting for the slightest provocation to draw. That experience eventually decreases badged opposition to further relaxation of CCW constraints.
CCW is all but necessary because the population of blissninnies has risen to alarming proportions and "in your face" carry tends to stampede them into the arms of legislative activists for gun control because carrying weapons is easy to demagogue but harder to explain rationally through slanted local media coverage.
Civilization is far more coarse and barbaric than it was even 35 years ago. I grew up in a community where one could carry a rifle in the back of the pick-up on a plain view rack. Now, if I did that, I could count the seconds until I had shattered glass so that someone could fence my rifle for some meth money. Same goes for hanging one over the mantle.
As far as the open carry versus concealed for mugger perception of who is an easy target, Giving the would be assailant the choice of knowing who can defend one's self and who cannot does not neccessarily deter crime or promote gun ownership by those who don't already carry, but CCW theoretically protects everyone better by making potential arrest or death a shell game for the perp. Then, only the boldest/most stupid dare to play.
I do not view CCw permits as a big threat to gun rights if the pressure is maintained for reciprocity and eventual installation of "Vermont style" carry, which is actually just a restoration of the traditional position that you were a good guy until you proved through your actions that you weren't.
CCW conditions the police that we are not denziens of Dodge City, waiting for the slightest provocation to draw. That experience eventually decreases badged opposition to further relaxation of CCW constraints.
CCW is all but necessary because the population of blissninnies has risen to alarming proportions and "in your face" carry tends to stampede them into the arms of legislative activists for gun control because carrying weapons is easy to demagogue but harder to explain rationally through slanted local media coverage.
Civilization is far more coarse and barbaric than it was even 35 years ago. I grew up in a community where one could carry a rifle in the back of the pick-up on a plain view rack. Now, if I did that, I could count the seconds until I had shattered glass so that someone could fence my rifle for some meth money. Same goes for hanging one over the mantle.
As far as the open carry versus concealed for mugger perception of who is an easy target, Giving the would be assailant the choice of knowing who can defend one's self and who cannot does not neccessarily deter crime or promote gun ownership by those who don't already carry, but CCW theoretically protects everyone better by making potential arrest or death a shell game for the perp. Then, only the boldest/most stupid dare to play.
Before I became of age to carry my dad and mom did. In states (like Ohio
no offense to the Buckeyes here) that do not have CWP I try to avoid going, but when I have to take the Mrs. to Ohio, I keep an unloaded , locked up gun so that when I hit Indiana again, I'm good. While in Ohio I carry OC and one of a various number of knives. I also tend to have a 6 cell Mag light in the truck, and various other improvised impact weapons.
no offense to the Buckeyes here) that do not have CWP I try to avoid going, but when I have to take the Mrs. to Ohio, I keep an unloaded , locked up gun so that when I hit Indiana again, I'm good. While in Ohio I carry OC and one of a various number of knives. I also tend to have a 6 cell Mag light in the truck, and various other improvised impact weapons.BerettaNut92
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Joe Demko
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Simple. Those who felt the need carried a gun w/o the blessing of the law. I did.
Nathanael_Greene
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Before the CCW laws, I used to walk my dogs late at night, and twice we were jumped by big strays. After that, I started packing heat while walking the dogs at night.
The Tourist
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I'm with Jar on this issue.
I have never committed a felony, I pay taxes in full (hold your smirking, I do), and if the government wants to find me it's not like I'm hiding.
Why then should there be any need to license me?
There was a time in this country when we slept with our doors open and Al Capone had the hide-out. Now criminals rule the streets and we hide-out.
How did the liberals talk us into this state of affairs?
I have never committed a felony, I pay taxes in full (hold your smirking, I do), and if the government wants to find me it's not like I'm hiding.
Why then should there be any need to license me?
There was a time in this country when we slept with our doors open and Al Capone had the hide-out. Now criminals rule the streets and we hide-out.
How did the liberals talk us into this state of affairs?
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