Do you give basic training to people new to firearms before taking them to the range?


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I'll take the liberty to interpret that as a compliment, with your permission ;)

Like the paper says, it's not for the newbie to read, it's more for the person who takes the newbie to shoot to read. I wasn't going to write a text + a diagram, so it's just a text to skim through the titles and bullet points and talk about whatever feels relevant. The text is more of a backup than anything else in real use. All the points are unrelated and can be skipped if necessary. I could even see myself only looking at the Table of Contents for that matter if time is short, but it's still worth it to print out the whole thing instead of just that page. Just in case. To the people who think this document is a bad idea, it's worth keeping in mind that the alternative is no structured content at all.

Wow! 8-10, I'd hate to do that. I imagine they are paying customers with a different demeanor, or at least people who have actively sought out the experience. I'm talking about 20 year olds that are friends or simply people I know who just wanna shoot for free and have a good time. Some of which with the attention span of a gnat (which does make writing a long text ironic, I agree). For me 1 or 2 is all I am willing to handle if I expect to shoot anything myself and not get stressed.

I did look for a comparable document before writing it, but I didn't find it. I've thought of becoming an accredited instructor plenty of times but haven't gotten around to it. While it may not be perfect (and what is?), I still feel pretty proud of the result.
It was a compliment, sure.
Its a decent article with lots of info.

the course I mentioned free women's introductory course to handguns every Thursday. Its free range time, free gun rentals, and free coaching. All they have to do is pay for ammo.
We get all kinds from college aged to great-great-grannies. (grannies are the most fun, btw). Most of them are what I would call middle aged mom's looking for info on how to be safe with firearms and learn how to shoot for home defense.

When I take my friends shooting, we all agree on and enforce the safety rules, but I don't offer "instruction" unless they ask for it.
Usually its "how did you do that? can you show me?".
 
These are obvious vulnerabilities, and as an attorney I would exploit them if I had a client you had taught who was injured in a gun related mishap and wanted/needed to seek compensation from you.

While I completely get where you're coming from, this type of mindset really does wonders for setting back the public image of the 2nd Amendment. Not what you are saying, just that the mindset is widespread. Lawyer's didn't get their reputation for nothing I suppose, and picking out flaws is part of the job. But given the profession, I see it as perfectly normal you see it this way. I bet your education affects your opinion on a whole lot of things you see around you, so I definitely don't take it as personal. On the other hand I bet there are plenty of lawyers which wouldn't have to make any intellectual hurdles to justify why the statements are very reasonable. Like absolutely everything we do in life, it's a calculated risk, and I take this as being no different. I appreciate the info of course. I definitely will take another look at it.
 
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Neither does a "Gun Myths" section in the first place! :D:rofl:. That section is purposely more relaxed and casual. I think it's important to keep in mind that this isn't a commercial guide, it's just something some random dude posted on the internet. Making it not boring is important, too.

There are ways of making it not boring without making it crude. We try to get women interested in shooting too, and not all of them are "with it." In our monthly Basic Handgun classes we have about 30% female enrollment running the gamut from early 20s and rather hip to the 75 year old, straight laced types.
 
While I completely get where you're coming from, this type of mindset really does wonders for setting back the public image of the 2nd Amendment. Not what you are saying, just that the mindset is widespread. Lawyer's didn't get their reputation for nothing I suppose, and picking out flaws is part of the job. But given the profession, I see it as perfectly normal you see it this way. I bet your education affects your opinion on a whole lot of things you see around you, so I definitely don't take it as personal. Like absolutely everything we do in life, it's a calculated risk, and I take this as being no different. I appreciate the info of course.
I would heed Frank's advice here.

The "wet dream" comment should be omitted. That is not a document I would hand to my class with that kind of language included.
Keep it professional.
 
Millennial, I'd like to comment on what you've done, however, I can't open your document? It may be because I have an Apple computer? I use to do instruction documents in the job that I had so I'm interested in details and how clear documents are for the average person that might read them.
 
"...Law Enforcement personnel and they do train and shoot well..." By far, most cops, while good people for the most part, do not fire their issue firearm except when required to for their annual qualification. They do not shoot for recreation or for practice and most regard their service firearm as just a heavy piece of kit they're required to carry for 12 hours. They're also the absolute most irresponsible firearm users anywhere. The days of cops being shooters before they get hired are long gone. Their degree has become for important than their skills too.
There are some technical errors in your dissertation. One of which is starting Automatic(that is neither a component or a concept) weapons are illegal for the average citizen. It's not a "bullet case" either. It's a cartridge case. That whole section should be reorganized into like topics vs alphabetical as well. As in types of firearm, parts, etc.
You also need pictures of more firearm types. A semi-auto .22's bolt doesn't look like a bolt action's bolt. Or work the same.
Far more target shooters using cast or plated these days bullets than ever use FMJ's. FMJ's simply are not accurate enough and are far too expensive to shoot regularly.
Far more shooting stances than 2. Not all shooting is done using 2 hands either. And most "modern sporting rifles' do not have an adjustable stock. The sight picture stuff should come before all the stance stuff too. Only one type of sight mentioned, but you're talking about long guns and short. There's no mention of any position other than the most unstable, off-hand. Off-hand is especially unsuitable for new shooters too. Far too easy for 'em to point the muzzle at you vs down range.
Prescription eye glasses are safety glasses. All prescription lenses are impact resistant. And regular sunglasses will do nicely.
No mention of a Range Officer's word being law and that the RO is the only person who has any say about anything on his range either. Not "veteran" shooters. No need to worry about 'headshots' at under 10 yards. There should be nothing between the shooter and the targets. If the roof is there, the shooter is shooting up and is dangerous.
You're Myth #1 is wrong. A Colt 1911A1 is a modern firearm and can go BANG!! if dropped.
Actually what you need most is an firearms knowledgeable editor. What's a "novel shooter"? Novice? Suggest you leave the "Notes for the Instructor" out completely unless you have the training and experience as an trainer of trainers.
 
While I completely get where you're coming from, this type of mindset really does wonders for setting back the public image of the 2nd Amendment. Not what you are saying, just that the mindset is widespread. But given the profession, I see it as perfectly normal. I bet your education affects your opinion on a whole lot of things you see around you. Like absolutely everything we do in life, it's a calculated risk, and I take this as being no different. I appreciate the info of course.

Buster, I've taught more beginners shooting than you ever will. I've been an NRA certified handgun instructor for over 15 years. I'm also an NRA certified instructor in shotgun and the two NRA personal protection courses.

I've help teach beginning trapshooting and wing shooting to perhaps a couple of hundred folks over the years working with my own coach. I've helped coach our club's SCTP youth trapshooting group.

For the last nine years I've been with a group putting on monthly Basic Handgun classes. We teach between 80 and 100 or so students a year -- some 90% of whom have never touched a real gun before, and some 30% of whom are women.

I've also been an assistant instructor with Massad Ayoob.

And one of the things that can seriously set back the public image of the Second Amendment is a headline in the local paper about someone's neighbor getting seriously injured or killed in a gun mishap.

You've got a lot to learn about teaching people to shoot.
 
Buster, I've taught more beginners shooting than you ever will. I've been an NRA certified handgun instructor for over 15 years. I'm also an NRA certified instructor in shotgun and the two NRA personal protection courses.
Woah, no need to take it personal. Calm down, it's the internet and a lot of nuance is lost. I didn't mean you, I mean the general feeling that exposing oneself to liability is really risky. Not to say it isn't, but the feeling gets overblown. I certainly appreciate what you do and respect it.

Millennial, I'd like to comment on what you've done, however, I can't open your document? It may be because I have an Apple computer? I use to do instruction documents in the job that I had so I'm interested in details and how clear documents are for the average person that might read them.

Hey! It's a PDF file, and I have 0 experience with Apple so I leave it to you to know if that's an issue. I would have imagined that .pdf files work across platforms. Lemme know if I can do anything.
 
Woah, no need to take it personal. Calm down, it's the internet and a lot of nuance is lost. I didn't mean you, I mean the general feeling that exposing oneself to liability is really risky. Not to say it isn't, but the feeling gets overblown. I certainly appreciate what you do and respect it.



Hey! It's a PDF file, and I have 0 experience with Apple so I leave it to you to know if that's an issue. I would have imagined that .pdf files work across platforms. Lemme know if I can do anything.
I just didn't go down far enough. There's quite a distance between the two pictures and the start of the document. Anyhoo, I thought it was very well done and very comprehensive. There's a lot of instruction and knowledge for a new shooter to take in and I think perhaps too much at one time. My thought is this! You did a great job with the pictures and nomenclature of the various types of firearms. I think it would be more productive to limit the training to the specific firearm that the beginner is going to use that day. For example, If the beginner was shooting revolvers I'd break the instruction down specifically to revolvers. Provide the revolver picture and nomenclature and all of the information regarding shooting a revolver. By doing this you could easily break your instructions up into three parts, revolver, semi-auto pistol and rifle and only use one of the three according to what the newbie is shooting that day. There's an old saying that "the mind can only absorb what the tail can endure". In other words too much instruction is as bad as too little. You did a great job now break it down so that one doesn't have to absorb all of it at one time.
 
...I mean the general feeling that exposing oneself to liability is really risky. Not to say it isn't, but the feeling gets overblown....
Exposing oneself to liability is really risky, and it's really not overblown if you're dealing with things that can seriously hurt or kill people.

In my 30+ years practicing law I've come across folks whose lives were devastated by liability, folks who lost everything they worked a lifetime to build, folks whose families were torn apart by both the financial loss and the stress. I've run across once thriving businesses completely ruined. In many cases the catastrophic losses could have been avoided or at least mitigated by some judicious risk management.

Risk can never be completely avoided. Nothing worthwhile is ever achieved without risk. But people and business that are successful in the long term respect risk, study and understand risk, and manage risk.
 
You know, somehow I missed the grip pages.

Don't worry, happens to the best of us ;):D

Anyhoo, I thought it was very well done and very comprehensive. There's a lot of instruction and knowledge for a new shooter to take in and I think perhaps too much at one time. My thought is this! You did a great job with the pictures and nomenclature of the various types of firearms. I think it would be more productive to limit the training to the specific firearm that the beginner is going to use that day. For example, If the beginner was shooting revolvers I'd break the instruction down specifically to revolvers. Provide the revolver picture and nomenclature and all of the information regarding shooting a revolver. By doing this you could easily break your instructions up into three parts, revolver, semi-auto pistol and rifle and only use one of the three according to what the newbie is shooting that day. There's an old saying that "the mind can only absorb what the tail can endure". In other words too much instruction is as bad as too little. You did a great job now break it down so that one doesn't have to absorb all of it at one time.

Thanks for the input! About the dividing part, that's pretty much what I had in mind. Everything is there, but I'll just skip over the pages that talk about something I won't be shooting. Now really breaking the document up in to more than one file, while it could be useful, would probably end up being 2 times as long and three different things to have around. As is, I probably already put more time into this than I thought it would take. It really justs started as a "I wish I had something to go through instead of trying to explain off the top of my head" type of thing. Depending on how much use I give it, I'll revisit it for sure.
 
Don't worry, happens to the best of us ;):D



Thanks for the input! About the dividing part, that's pretty much what I had in mind. Everything is there, but I'll just skip over the pages that talk about something I won't be shooting. Now really breaking the document up in to more than one file, while it could be useful, would probably end up being 2 times as long and three different things to have around. As is, I probably already put more time into this than I thought it would take. It really justs started as a "I wish I had something to go through instead of trying to explain off the top of my head" type of thing. Depending on how much use I give it, I'll revisit it for sure.
Millennial, I really don't think, by you dividing it into three parts, that you're adding additional information or making it longer than it already is. It's just a matter of how you construct it. All the information is there and it's a matter of cut and paste. I wish I had time to work with you on it but you've done such a good job that I know you can do it. Think about it like this: you have a friend that's going to teach someone to shoot and you ask him, "What's your friend shooting? He replies, a semi-auto and you give him your semi-auto guide. You then let him know that you have a revolver guide and a rifle guide if he ever needs it. If you ever get this into three parts I'd love to have it and would be willing to pay for it. There's nothing like it on the market that I know of. Best of luck!
 
Millennial, I really don't think, by you dividing it into three parts, that you're adding additional information or making it longer than it already is. It's just a matter of how you construct it. All the information is there and it's a matter of cut and paste. I wish I had time to work with you on it but you've done such a good job that I know you can do it. Think about it like this: you have a friend that's going to teach someone to shoot and you ask him, "What's your friend shooting? He replies, a semi-auto and you give him your semi-auto guide. You then let him know that you have a revolver guide and a rifle guide if he ever needs it. If you ever get this into three parts I'd love to have it and would be willing to pay for it. There's nothing like it on the market that I know of. Best of luck!

Haha I'll look into it. On the other hand it's relieving to hear that. It would have been a bit of a let down if I had gone through the trouble of compiling it just for someone to toss me a link and show me some else had already done it better. Maybe there is, but not for free or in a single file. Anyway, thanks!
 
I've taught several sessions to mainly women and foreign visitors. I conducted an hour and one-half lecture on safety (the four rules), range etiquette, handgun mechanics, handling, grip and sight picture. I printed out the safety rules and handed each a copy. Then, went to the range.

Personally, I believe those should be in the top of the manual with most of the rest to follow. I would drop the "myths" section.

I'm hoping the Millennial generation will be the last "tl;dr" generation and would leave the rest in for those who want to educate themselves.
 
I would add in the second definition of "Automatic" relating to handgun actions. I think auto, full-auto, and auto vs. revolver is confusing to beginners. Same word, different meanings depending on whether you are talking about rate of fire/trigger operation or type of handgun. That way they know their "auto" is not an "auto." ;)

When I explain FA vs. SA and the basics of NFA vs. handgun "autos" and revolvers I always get light-bulb going off looks from beginners.
 
I would add in the second definition of "Automatic" relating to handgun actions. I think auto, full-auto, and auto vs. revolver is confusing to beginners. Same word, different meanings depending on whether you are talking about rate of fire/trigger operation or type of handgun. That way they know their "auto" is not an "auto." ;)

When I explain FA vs. SA and the basics of NFA vs. handgun "autos" and revolvers I always get light-bulb going off looks from beginners.

You know, when someone mentioned before that "Automatic" wasn't clear, I really wasn't that sure why, but maybe it was along those lines. I've since changed the definition regardless, but I'm not sure if I updated the version online yet, though.

Would you mind expanding that a bit? As in which categories you differentiate, or how you like to explain it? Things like the fact that a revolver isn't really a semiautomatic even though by the definition it's pretty reasonable for someone to assume it is, is something that I'm not sure answers more questions than it creates. Then again it really depends on what information they are starting with. Some times it's hard to see something from the beginners point of view after years of taking it for granted.

Thanks for the input.
 
I usually explain auto/semi-auto in terms of rates of fire first. Then, I go into the 2 different types of handguns (autos, so called because when you pull the trigger it automatically ejects the spent case and chambers a new one) and revolvers which the pull of the trigger rotates (revolves) the cylinder/chambers for the next round, then you manually have to eject them. I then explain the different trigger types: DA (and demonstrate the trigger pull-cocking & releasing the hammer on a revolver or DA auto), SA, and DA/SA and striker fired.

I also explain a DA revolver is like a semi-auto in terms of every time you squeeze the trigger it fires.
 
I usually explain auto/semi-auto in terms of rates of fire first. Then, I go into the 2 different types of handguns (autos, so called because when you pull the trigger it automatically ejects the spent case and chambers a new one) and revolvers which the pull of the trigger rotates (revolves) the cylinder/chambers for the next round, then you manually have to eject them. I then explain the different trigger types: DA (and demonstrate the trigger pull-cocking & releasing the hammer on a revolver or DA auto), SA, and DA/SA and striker fired.

I also explain a DA revolver is like a semi-auto in terms of every time you squeeze the trigger it fires.

Thanks for that info. That type of information is perfect for a basic firearms course to a new gun owner, as it explains the technicalities and how things work. But do you think that someone who just wanted to shoot whatever was in front of them with no intention of buying a firearm in the near future would really benefit from that? I'd love it if a newbie asked about those issues, but I can't help but wonder if it might be a bit much.
 
Sure, it is good general knowledge and it is only a few minute conversation and demo. Every time I go through that I get looks of enlightenment and comments about whatever part they didn't know. Auto (both meanings), semi-auto and the trigger types are not at all understood by people new to guns.

If you don't have a certain type of gun to shoot, I'd skip it though. No need to go over what a striker fired handgun is if you are shooting a Sig P series or a revolver for example.
 
Good job on your guide. It's great seeing someone put the effort into providing this to people they shoot with.


Could be right or wrong making that decision, but it seemed reasonable enough to me haha.


You can understand the advice to make the safety rules first since the consequences of an accident are catastrophic with a firearm. If you're sending this to them beforehand to read then a good "hook" to get them into reading the guide through is sound reasoning, but if you're handing it to them at the range before going to the line, safety and responsible firearms handling should be right up front. Emphasize that there are catastrophic consequences and that it deserves the 100% respect of the new shooter because of the irreparable harm that can take place.
 
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These types of weapons are effectively illegal to the average citizen in the USA.

This is incorrect and needs to be changed. The average citizen may legally purchase selective fire and fully automatic firearms on the NFA registry since the average citizen can pass the background check required for the transfer. This is myth should be countered at every opportunity.

Changing it to something like below could clear up the myth,
AUTOMATIC – Type of firearm that will fire continuously for as long as the trigger is pressed or held and there is ammunition in the magazine/chamber. These types of firearms are legal for the average citizen in the USA, but are generally limited to those on the federal registry of transferable "machine guns" and with requirements for a background check and a $200 federal transfer tax to purchase.
 
It might be beneficial in Stance to show what you mean when you're cautioning against "the lean". The "picture worth 1,000 words" adage illustrating this most common error may help people avoid it.

You show proper and improper grip and discuss it a bit. You might expand there with more details of why and how to fit the handgun to be able to get the proper grip. The Cornered Cat has an excellent explanation on this and we've discussed it repeatedly here in THR. It makes for greater initial accuracy and comfort for the new shooter to fit the firearm to them instead of trying to handle something that fits me, but doesn't fit their hand. After safety the fit of the handgun to the individual is the greatest emphasis and produces the greatest benefit.

In Rifle you can make your point clearer by changing the text to read,
For the most part, shooting a rifle in .22lr or a carbine or pistol caliber is easier and has less recoil to manage than a handgun. This is why intermediate cartridge carbines like the AR are the primary choice of most shooters and for professionals who require a weapon.

You might get some questions or debate about caliber or lever vs. semi, but I think people will get the primary point that light rifles are easier to shoot.

In Safety you could move your 14 bullet in Etiquette to a 10th rule in Safety to caution to keep all food and drink out of the shooting area and washing up after shooting before eating or drinking. Minimizing lead exposures isn't like the catastrophic hazard of a gunshot wound, but is more safety than etiquette. You could also move the "no gun unattended" to Safety since the object is to prevent someone from mishandling the firearm. I don't want to dilute the prevention of a gunshot wound with those two points so it may be beneficial to have a section on "Other Safety Points" and leave not shooting someone else or yourself as the principal Safety topic.

Under Myths, you could add that people think machine guns are illegal, but that they're just highly regulated and expensive with several steps to go through for the average person to purchase. I'd edit
4. The gun show loophole exists, and anyone can legally buy guns online and have them shipped to your door, even criminals. In the vast, vast majority of cases, this is extremely illegal and you will go to jail for it.
to read "No one other than a Federal Firearms License holder can purchase a firearm and have that firearm shipped to them legally. If you pay an online retailer for a firearm it is shipped to a local FFL you selected and you must undergo a background check, and pay whatever fee for service, before you may have the firearm. There is NO "gunshow loophole". " You should consider rewording,
5. Concealed Carriers don’t stop crime or mass shootings. Mainly because when they stop them, they never happen and can’t be reported on. Plus, millions beg to differ.
. Perhaps, "there are many examples where CC has stopped a crime, but these instances either go unreported in the news or are only locally reported and have to be searched for instead of the national reporting that a shooting gets".
 
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Good job on your guide. It's great seeing someone put the effort into providing this to people they shoot with.

I appreciate the motivation, thanks.

You can understand the advice to make the safety rules first since the consequences of an accident are catastrophic with a firearm. If you're sending this to them beforehand to read then a good "hook" to get them into reading the guide through is sound reasoning, but if you're handing it to them at the range before going to the line, safety and responsible firearms handling should be right up front. Emphasize that there are catastrophic consequences and that it deserves the 100% respect of the new shooter because of the irreparable harm that can take place.

I absolutely understand and agree with this. I intend to use this before they ever get near a loaded firearm, and point the main safety rules as pertinent during conversation, and then the whole structured safety section once they are in a predisposition to pay attention. But at this point I'm pretty inclined to bump it up to the front if it makes everyone happier.

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These types of weapons are effectively illegal to the average citizen in the USA."This is incorrect and needs to be changed. The average citizen may legally purchase selective fire and fully automatic firearms on the NFA registry since the average citizen can pass the background check required for the transfer. This is myth should be countered at every opportunity.

I think I'll have to reword that part. It kind of depends on what myth your debunking. If someone thinks that almost every gun there is fully automatic and most crimes are committed with them, then the argument is that effectively, they are illegal to the average citizen since the barrier to entry is unreasonably high. But if they think that no civilian can own a machine gun, then of course that's when you point how they are perfectly legal for most law abiding people provided they are willing to pay the near obscene market prices. For better or worse that part was worded like a conversation, since those points are really just talking points for the drive to the shooting range or something like that. But yeah, I think it probably is worth rewording it.

It might be beneficial in Stance to show what you mean when you're cautioning against "the lean". The "picture worth 1,000 words" adage illustrating this most common error may help people avoid it.

I would have loved to, however it would have broken the formatting more than I would have liked. And that issue is common to almost every suggestion to expand a bit on any point for better clarification. On most pages the word count was used up to the last word, making a few characters more overflow to the next page. As it is, most subjects are either one page, or two contiguous pages that can be open simultaneously. Adding a single page breaks the formatting of most of the document. So if I expand on some of the subjects mentioned, then I'd have to reduce somewhere else and that would be the next complaint. I did play with the margins at the end so perhaps I have space for a single line more, but that's about it. As is I think it's borderline too long, and ideally I'd be alongside whoevers learning to point those little details out.

You show proper and improper grip and discuss it a bit. You might expand there with more details of why and how to fit the handgun to be able to get the proper grip. The Cornered Cat has an excellent explanation on this and we've discussed it repeatedly here in THR. It makes for greater initial accuracy and comfort for the new shooter to fit the firearm to them instead of trying to handle something that fits me, but doesn't fit their hand

Cornered Cat is actually one of the cited sources, but I don't think I saw the post you mention specifically. If I understood you right, I'd probably consider that more something that the person providing the guns should take into account to decide which guns to bring along. I typically bring some variation of 3-4 different sized handguns and 1-2 rifles depending on the person, time and situation. But once on the range I tend to start with what's easiest, see how they fair, and if possible just let them choose so they enjoy themselves. Most tend to gravitate what they shoot best so it might be unconciously taken into account. I'll definitely check that post and see what I think afterwards.

In Rifle you can make your point clearer by changing the text to read "For the most part, shooting a rifle in .22lr or a carbine or pistol caliber is easier and has less recoil to manage than a handgun. This is why intermediate cartridge carbines like the AR are the primary choice of most shooters and for professionals who require a weapon."

Yup, absolutely true. In retrospect I inserted my bias in there. My AR's are in .22lr, .223 and 300 BLK. And in general I'd dare say that .22lr and .223 are probably the most common rifle calibers out there, specially for the ubiquitous AR plataform. But I've always thought that a 9mm AR is the perfect granny weapon so I tend to think along those lines, it's just not a very typical weapon for the average casual gun owner I'd think (as in the type that doesn't go on forums in their spare time hehe). At some point you kinda have to reach the conclusion that if you write it for gun people, or write it for gun amateurs, the result would be a completely different worded book. In any case having pointed it out, it makes perfect sense so I'll go over it.

In Safety you could move your 14 bullet in Etiquette to a 10th rule in Safety to caution to keep all food and drink out of the shooting area and washing up after shooting before eating or drinking. Minimizing lead exposures isn't like the catastrophic hazard of a gunshot wound, but is more safety than etiquette. You could also move the "no gun unattended" to Safety since the object is to prevent someone from mishandling the firearm. I don't want to dilute the prevention of a gunshot wound with those two points so it may be beneficial to have a section on "Other Safety Points" and leave not shooting someone else or yourself as the principal Safety topic.

I hadn't done it yet, but this meshes with what I was intending to do. The 4 basic safety rules feel too little to me if no other safety rules are taught, so that's why my safety list ended up longer (which is just a compilation of other lists). I'm pending putting the 4 main rules at the top of the page, and a second header below it with "complementary or other safety rules" where I can feel free to expand a bit. It was good thinking to point out the food and drink part, but I bet you must be lucky enough to have a really nice range for that to be a remote possibility. I would have never even thought of it! haha. Though I must admit that shooting at an exterior range with Yerba Maté off the firing line is a nice way to pass the ceasefires :). Now whether I put things like those in Etiquette or Safety has more to do with formatting like I mentioned before than where they should actually go (given that arguably they can go in either).

to read "No one other than a Federal Firearms License holder can purchase a firearm and have that firearm shipped to them legally. If you pay an online retailer for a firearm it is shipped to a local FFL you selected and you must undergo a background check, and pay whatever fee for service, before you may have the firearm. There is NO "gunshow loophole". " You should consider rewording,

I'll review it. Thing is that I've always considered that to be a bit too broad of a statement, since you can buy guns online or in person from a person who is also in your same state legally, and have it shipped straight to your home without an FFL (at least in Florida the last time I checked). It feels risky to the point that most probably use an FFL anyway just because it feels better, but it is legal. Even though the anti's make a poor job pointing it out, that could be called a loophole of sorts. I'd say that bullet point is consciously ambiguous simply because I wouldn't want to risk feeling intellectually dishonest knowing that if I was an anti, I could counter the claim.

. Perhaps, "there are many examples where CC has stopped a crime, but these instances either go unreported in the news or are only locally reported and have to be searched for instead of the national reporting that a shooting gets".

I remember that when writing that, it wouldn't fit without spilling onto the next page. Since there is a line or two of space now, I'll check if it fits since that is in line with what I would have wanted to say.

Anyway, thanks HSO! That was absolutely the most helpful posts I've received, and will certainly be implemented in some way or another. I have to admit that I thought the little doc is getting more time put in than I expected, but oh well, it certainly is nice to have and costs a lot less than building another rifle or slinging lead downrange. Hopefully it will be of use in the future. Thanks!
 
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