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Owen Sparks

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Our local hospital has a strict no weapons policy in the Emergency Room. there have been several incidents in the past where people brought in after being injured in fights continued it in the ER so the security is tight with several uniformed guards on duty and walk through metal detectors at the door and a big sign that says:

NO WEAPONS ALLOWED BEYOND THIS POINT.

Recently a family member was hospitalized and I visited frequently. I always carry a folding Emerson knife and that is not a problem in the rest of the hospital but late at night the main entrance closes and the only way in is through the ER door and the metal detector.

I was not about to leave a $200 + knife in the hands of stranger for several hours as it might disappear during a shift change so at night I just left it in the car. One night I decided that I would bring my “walking stick” in just to see what the guards reaction to it might be. This thing is a heavy three foot long piece of Osage orange with a big rude knob for a handle that could easily smash a skull. A stick like this is a far more formidable weapon than any knife in a brawl yet the security guards did not even give it a second glance even though I am relatively young, in shape and I was not limping, just carrying it in my hand. They made me empty my pockets of all metal objects and put my keys and phone in a tray and walk through the metal detector but no one asked to examine the substantial piece of lumber in my hand.

This little experiment says a lot about the way people view inanimate objects. Knives and guns are prohibited because bad people misuse them but walking sticks have no such evil image because normally old people use them as a crutch and their potential for use as a weapon does not register with most people, even the professional security guards who would not let my brother bring his tiny key chain pen knife in.
 
This was pretty interesting, thanks. I've considered carrying a cane, but, being that I'm young and in good shape I've always thought that people would look at me funny. I may try it out.
 
As for the walking stick weapon, I am sure if you looked around in the hospital you would see those type of weapons everywhere!

Consider the steel IV Bag pole with those curly heavy-gauge wires on the top end to hold the IV bags above the patient! I never picked one up, however they appear to be pretty hefty, including the weighted-bottom to keep it from tipping over.
 
I have a feeling some of this might be just blind policy-adherence at work. Yes, the sign says "no weapons" but I will bet you the guards have been briefed on the general idea of what that means. And that briefing probably said no knives, guns, etc. But certainly they were not told "don't allow anything that in your personal judgement could be used as a weapon." And the reason is simple; that would be a nightmare to implement and one capricious decision on this would be a complete PR mess. Especially since it's a hospital where you see lots of walking sticks.

The guards may very well suspect you could bash someone's head in with that stick, but they're not going to say anything. Frankly it's not their problem; they've followed policy to a reasonable extent and that's all they need to do. Come to think of it, a surprising amount of security measures and weapon laws are frankly just "symbolic," not well-thought out crime-prevention measures.
 
Been carrying a cane since 06 due to an injury.

They cant ask you why because of the American with Disabilities Act. And HIPPA.
 
One of the more serious potential weapons that fall into this sort of "blind spot" is a metal bodied, retractable tip, ballpoint pen. Heck BIC used to tout the durability of their ballpoint pens with a commercial that showed a guy punching them through a tin can repeatedly and then writing with it.

The truth is that anything can be a weapon and the real point of concern is the people involved, not the objects.
 
In 1970, I had a construction site accident while serving in the army engineers. I left the army with a medical discharge, and from then on carried a cane. Sometimes an Irish Blackthorn, sometimes a hornbeam stick of my own making. I've lost count long ago how many airlines, Washington D.C. security checkpoints in federal buildings, court houses, and hospitals I've walked into.

With a walking stick, my Cross pen clipped in my pocket, and a AA Minimag in a belt sheath, I feel pretty well equipted to defend my self short of a firearm.

What they don't know, I sure ain't about to tell them!

Carl.
 
Bought one of these in 2003 after an injury: http://www.coldsteel.com/citystick.html

Then, it came with a stainless head. The ball type head is not the best for actual long term use, the curved or pistol grip is more ergonomic. One important factor is that if the cane is not adjustable, it should be appropriately shortened to fit correctly. Far too many don't shorten solid canes like they need to be. I'm 5'6", and it needed about 6" cut off. http://www.fashionablecanes.com/canes/Cane_Info.html#fit

How to use them appropriately - aside from combatives - is simple. Never touch anyone with the cane whatsoever - unless they threaten your well being. If you treat the cane the same way you CCW, you can't go wrong. And, everybody around you won't think twice about it.
 
It just goes to show what people view as "weapons." Call me crazy, but wherever I go I try to be aware of anything that could be used for self defense (Esp. here in NJ where carrying just about anything but money is illegal.)

That hardcover catalog on the counter? That'll really hurt when it makes contact.
Ever see how easy it is to swing a bicycle? Grab it by the handles and whirl it around. That'll mess up someones day.
Steel toe boots. Enough said there.
Ever think about using your belt? That metal buckle HURTS. Believe me. I had my brother hit me with one not really that hard and it left one heck of a bruise.
Pens, markers, scissors, etc. They work if your unfortunate enough to be up close and personal.

Man I hope NJ passes shall issue CC permits soon...
 
Like BikerDoc and Carl said Canes are the best thing you can carry into a Federal building or Hospital. Along with that steel ink pen and a AA mini mag flashlite you are in good shape.

This last time I got asked about my cane and I told them they were breaking the Law and I was going to call my Lawyer. They started crawfishing and back peddling real fast. The Super showed up and had a spell with the workers about HIPPA and ADA!
 
Ranger30-06 said:
It just goes to show what people view as "weapons." Call me crazy, but wherever I go I try to be aware of anything that could be used for self defense (Esp. here in NJ where carrying just about anything but money is illegal.)

Rather that trying to improvise in an emergency why not have a heavy club, er, "walking cane" in your hand if you have to go into a potentially dangerous enviroment? It is perfect for all those places where your carry permit is voided by federal and state law.
 
Walking into a Hospital with a cane is commonplace. Family members routinely bring walking assist devices to patients in the hospital. However, bring your young, fit self into a Court house carrying a cane under your arm and let me know how that goes.
 
Walking into a Hospital with a cane is commonplace. Family members routinely bring walking assist devices to patients in the hospital. However, bring your young, fit self into a Court house carrying a cane under your arm and let me know how that goes.

It goes just fine, thank you. I go to the local court all the time with one of my sticks. They x-ray them and ask if I will be ok walking through the arch without, but that's it.

As said many times before, they are prohibited by law from making a judgement call about your medical status and from asking about it (Medical Privacy Act). Any guard saying "You don't look disabled to me" might as well paint a big target on his forehead for every civil attorney within earshot.
 
Ranger30-06 said:


Rather that trying to improvise in an emergency why not have a heavy club, er, "walking cane" in your hand if you have to go into a potentially dangerous enviroment? It is perfect for all those places where your carry permit is voided by federal and state law.

Because I'm a lot younger than most of you guys and I think I would draw some serious attention if a 6' 230lb pretty muscular guy that is perfectly healthy started walking around with a walking club, er I mean stick. ;)

My favorite improvised weapon of choice that I carry everywhere is actually a military LED flashlight that has this metal piece that looks a bit like a breaching break on a shotgun. (Who said breaching breaks weren't useful! :neener:) It has (I think; I don't have it right now) 4 "blades" on the end, which are pretty much just 4 fins that are semi edged. If anything I can get my hands onto will hurt an attacker, it will be this flashlight.
 
Because I'm a lot younger than most of you guys and I think I would draw some serious attention if a 6' 230lb pretty muscular guy that is perfectly healthy started walking around with a walking club, er I mean stick.

So maybe you hurt yourself lifting weights. A "disability" does not have to be perminant besides, walking sticks are LEGAL everywhere. No law says that you have to limp to be qualified to carry one. Oh, and BTW, I have to go to the county court house frequently on business so I am aquainted with the deputy who operates the metal detector. He said that there is no law prohibiting walking sticks provided that they are not sword canes.
 
Reminds of Germany from 84 to 86 when I was stationed in Bad Kissingen. Regan was pissing off the world as he should have. lets reelect him oh he is dead. Anyway we went to bars and alot of the younger Germans did not like us. Well about once a month there would be a bar fight. Me 5'9" and 130 not going up against a farm boy very well. First thing I would grab was an ashtray the were thick and a large lip I could swing it or fling it like a Frisbee. The thing a cane is great but know your surroundings. Look for some thing there always is that can be a weapon.
 
billymarr said:
-The thing a cane is great but know your surroundings. Look for some thing there always is that can be a weapon.

Good point, but not always true. Walking to your car a hundred yards out on a large parking lot, or walking on a wooded path around a neighborhood lake, or having just disembarked from the airline and walking to the car rental. Some places you may find a weapon, but you will have to hunt a bit, vs something already right there in your hand. Nothing beats a weapon right in hand that will take some person by surprise. Plus with no smoking laws in effect in more and more places, those big glass ash trays are a thing of the past. Most places are even going to plastic beer pitchers.

Carl.
 
My 2 sticks are steel shafted, reinforced with dowel, and topped with tropical hardwood, held to the steel shaft with a metal dowel pinned to the head and shaft. 6.5 and 7 lbs each.

I've taken one on planes with no issues. The TSA gets very annoyed at having to get me a chair to take my shoes off... then the belt with the heavy buckle... the metal splints... They've never challenged the stick. It rides with the flight crew's personal belongings.

The federal courthouse folks have stopped, weighed the stick in their hands while looking me up and down, and then grudgingly passed it along when they see me waddle.

The City one however, is the only place I've been told "You can't bring THAT in here sir!". When I inquired as to which officer would be wheeling me around in a wheelchair for my ticket... their companion whispered to them that they can't stop me anyhow, and In I went.
 
Walking into a Hospital with a cane is commonplace. Family members routinely bring walking assist devices to patients in the hospital. However, bring your young, fit self into a Court house carrying a cane under your arm and let me know how that goes.

I'm 43 years old. Stand 6' tall and weigh 165lbs. My build is athletic,lean muscle about 8% body fat. I can walk without a limp. (most days :) )

I have never had a problem with a cane. I even get to go around the portal and get wanded, when I tell them I am wearing a knee brace with metal stays.

Not once have I been asked to prove I need a cane, and if I ever did their supervisor would be explaining to them why they just might want to look for another job.

I look fit, and I am fit. Knee injuries are common and have no age/fitness limitations.
 
"Because I'm a lot younger than most of you guys and I think I would draw some serious attention if a 6' 230lb pretty muscular guy that is perfectly healthy started walking around with a walking club, er I mean stick"

I have had a lot of patients your size that had serious spine troubles and need a stick/cane so you won't get as many looks as you think. Also, when people see someone with a medical device of just about any sort they tend to avert their gaze.

I spoke w/ a patient that had a Coldsteel shileaghlah & I knew he wasn't a leperchaun!
 
I saw a division one SEC football player on the sidelines with a walking cane on TV a few weeks back. He was evidently recovering from a game related injury. This is not all that uncommon. Young healthy athletic people are prone to sports related injuries. A disability does not have to be perminant to be covered by the ADA.
 
Gentlemen,

Please do not let anyone intimidate or influence you to not carrying a cane if you so wish. It's bad enough that we have a government that would deprive us of our 2d amendment rights, and do in some areas. But to be told or pressured into not doing something that is totally legal, and well within your rights in a semi-free nation, is not to be tolerated. If you wish to carry a cane/walking stick, do so and don't feel that you have to explain anything to anybody. With the simple words " An old sports injury acting up." you close the door to any inquiries as to why you are carrying a cane. If you even feel the need to go that far to explain.

When I was a young otherwise healthy 30 year old with a service injury, I had to carry and use a cane. Even back then, I got very few questions. Most people are pretty well mannered and don't ask. Now we have the Americans With Disabilities Act, and people with any sense at all, don't ask. If they do, just tell them it's none of their business, and bring the AWDA to their attention. And the law has teeth. Twice in the last five years, I've pushed back hard when someone over stepped their bounds, and it worked. The higher ups won't back or stand behind an employee who violates it. One county sheriffs deputy got re-assigned, and a private security guard joined the fast food industry.

Remember this; you're not doing anything wrong or against the law. Do not stand for anyone telling you or giving you any grief over a stick. You have every right to carry a cane, so you should do it. If you just act natural and at ease with it, people won't say squat. After a while it becomes part of your persona, and people won't even notice any more. And the great side benefit is, when you get used to it, and even take some stick training, you have a weapon that you can take anywhere, anytime. I've walked right through security in airports both here and in Europe, walked right through security in the Vatican in Rome, the British Museum in London, and our own Capital here in Washington D.C. The only thing any security did was to x-ray the stick to make sure there were no hidden surprises in it.

Get a nice stick and carry it proudly. It's your rite in what used to be a free country!

Carl.
 
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